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The Panther

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I've mentioned it in another thread, but it's worth repeating here: In 1983-84, the Edmonton Oilers scored 36 short-handed goals, or almost one every other game.

That's not only far more than any other team, ever, it's a lot more than even the 1980s' Oilers scored in any other season. Gretzky alone had 23 short-handed points! (It must have been odd for Gretzky to play on the 1997-98 NY Rangers, which is one of only four teams since expansion to score zero short-handed goals in a season!)

So, in light of this, what do the following teams have in common?:
1968-69 Los Angeles Kings
1972-73 New York Islanders
1973-74 New York Islanders
1997-98 Tampa Bay Lightning
2011-12 Dallas Stars
2013-14 Florida Panthers
2014-15 Buffalo Sabres
2016-17 Colorado Avalanche
2016-17 Vancouver Canucks
2017-18 Edmonton Oilers
2018-19 Nashville Predators
2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
2018-19 New York Islanders

Answer: They're all NHL clubs (76 games or more played) that scored 33 or fewer power-play goals in a season. That is, each of them scored at least 3 fewer goals on the power-play than Edmonton scored short-handed in 1983-84.


(What's odd about all this is that while the Oilers had about five of the top-seven seasons ever for short-handed goals, their power-play was never anything special. No Oilers team ranks in the top-75 PP goals-scored seasons. In the 1980s, though, they generally had fewer PP opportunities than other clubs.)
 

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I've mentioned it in another thread, but it's worth repeating here: In 1983-84, the Edmonton Oilers scored 36 short-handed goals, or almost one every other game.

That's not only far more than any other team, ever, it's a lot more than even the 1980s' Oilers scored in any other season. Gretzky alone had 23 short-handed points! (It must have been odd for Gretzky to play on the 1997-98 NY Rangers, which is one of only four teams since expansion to score zero short-handed goals in a season!)

So, in light of this, what do the following teams have in common?:
1968-69 Los Angeles Kings
1972-73 New York Islanders
1973-74 New York Islanders
1997-98 Tampa Bay Lightning
2011-12 Dallas Stars
2013-14 Florida Panthers
2014-15 Buffalo Sabres
2016-17 Colorado Avalanche
2016-17 Vancouver Canucks
2017-18 Edmonton Oilers
2018-19 Nashville Predators
2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
2018-19 New York Islanders

Answer: They're all NHL clubs (76 games or more played) that scored 33 or fewer power-play goals in a season. That is, each of them scored at least 3 fewer goals on the power-play than Edmonton scored short-handed in 1983-84.


(What's odd about all this is that while the Oilers had about five of the top-seven seasons ever for short-handed goals, their power-play was never anything special. No Oilers team ranks in the top-75 PP goals-scored seasons. In the 1980s, though, they generally had fewer PP opportunities than other clubs.)

Interesting to see three teams from 2018-19 on that list, and not surprising to have nine in the past decade. Really shows the way the game has transformed in the past few years.
 

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The odds of a goalie scoring a goal in a scoreless game by actually shooting the puck into the oppositions net are extremely low.

Well, we were looking for an ultimate hat trick here. So I suggested shutout, goal scored ... and the timing to do both the same day! ;)
 

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What do the following teams have in common? (Hint: has to do with milestones)

* 1980-81 Philadelphia Flyers
* 1982-83 Vancouver Canucks
* 1983-84 NY Islanders
* 1984-85 Buffalo Sabres
* 1986-87 Vancouver Canucks
* 1988-89 Detroit Red Wings
* 1990-91 NY Islanders
* 1993-94 San Jose Sharks

Spoiler alert:
Answer: these were the teams that gave up Gretzky's NHL milestone goals #100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, and 800
 

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Patrick Roy was drafted 51st overall in 1984.

His brother Stephane was drafted 51st overall in 1985.

Both also briefly played together on the 1984-85 Granby Bisons. Stephane would later play 12 games in the NHL.
 

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There have been two cases in NHL history where a family has had 3 siblings selected in 3 consecutive Entry Drafts.

The first one is what everyone's first guess would be - Darryl Sutter in 1978, Duane Sutter in 1979, and Brent Sutter in 1980.

The second one could probably be left as a trivia question here for weeks and I'd be amazed if anyone would get it. The Gassoff family saw Bob Gassoff selected in 1973, Ken Gassoff in 1974, and Brad Gassoff in 1975.
 

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There have been two cases in NHL history where a family has had 3 siblings selected in 3 consecutive Entry Drafts.

The first one is what everyone's first guess would be - Darryl Sutter in 1978, Duane Sutter in 1979, and Brent Sutter in 1980.

The second one could probably be left as a trivia question here for weeks and I'd be amazed if anyone would get it. The Gassoff family saw Bob Gassoff selected in 1973, Ken Gassoff in 1974, and Brad Gassoff in 1975.

Nice. How many with 2 consecutive draft years?
 

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On March 7, 9 and 11, 2008, Andrew Cogliano set an NHL record by scoring overtime goals in three consecutive games against the Columbus Blue Jackets, Chicago Blackhawks and St. Louis Blues, respectively. His stick and gloves were subsequently sent to the Hockey Hall of Fame.


Every single time that the Calgary Flames have made the Stanley Cup Finals the Edmonton Oilers made the Stanley Cup Finals the very next season.

Calgary 1986
Edmonton 1987

Calgary 1989
Edmonton 1990

Calgary 2004
Lockout 2005
Edmonton 2006
 
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During the 20/21 season the Ottawa Senators, angered by what they felt was one-sided officiating by Cooper Smeaton, left the ice with 5:13 to play in their Jan 26 game against the Montreal Canadiens. With no opponent on the ice Newsy Lalonde and Amos Arbour scored uncontested goals and Smeaton awards Montreal a 5-3 victory. Smeaton resigned over the incident but was convinced to return before the end of the season.

NHL president fined the Senators $500 for their actions.

Smeaton, who was the referee-in-chief of the league at the time, later said "A referee is always paid and receives the same salary, regardless what team wins."
 
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On March 7, 9 and 11, 2008, Andrew Cogliano set an NHL record by scoring overtime goals in three consecutive games against the Columbus Blue Jackets, Chicago Blackhawks and St. Louis Blues, respectively. His stick and gloves were subsequently sent to the Hockey Hall of Fame.


Every single time that the Calgary Flames have made the Stanley Cup Finals the Edmonton Oilers made the Stanley Cup Finals the very next season.

Calgary 1986
Edmonton 1987

Calgary 1989
Edmonton 1990

Calgary 2004
Lockout 2005
Edmonton 2006

Speaking of Edmonton-Calgary...

It still blows my mind that these two franchises, one of whom made the Stanley Cup Final for 8 years in a row from 1983-1990, have only both made the playoffs in the same year twice since the last Battle of Alberta playoff series in 1991. Twice in 27 seasons!
 
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In the 1982-1993 divisional playoff format era, only one time did all the first place teams make it past round 1- 1992. Two of those teams had to overcame 3-1 deficits and all 4 of those teams had to go 7 games in the first round.

All 4 first place teams lost in the second round.

In fact, over the next 2 seasons, only 1 division winner- 1994 Rangers- made it to the conference finals.
 
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Darryl sydor played on Stanley cup finals with 4 different teams. 1993 kings,/1999and 2000 dallas stars/2004 Tampa bay lightning/ 2008 Pittsburgh. i believe he is the only player who had played in finals with gretzky and crosby?.

eric cairns was the only player to play with #66,#68,#71,#87 and # 99
 

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Every times the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup, the Red Wings beat them in the WCF and would go on to win the cup the very next year. (1996/1997 and 2001/2002).

Every times the Wings have beaten the Avs in the playoffs, they would go on the win the cup (1997, 2002 and 2008).

The Flames and Oilers had similar playoff run in 2004 and 2006: Beat the President trophy winners (Red Wings) and Sharks in 6 in back to back series and lose in 7 games to a South-East division team in the Finals.

The Leafs losing the next series each times they defeated the Sens in the playoffs.
 

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Everyone remembers that Sam Gagner of the Oilers inexplicably scored 8 points in one game against Chicago, in February 2012. (He remains the only NHL player to score 8 points in game since Mario Lemieux in 1989.) However, two details about that week are often overlooked:

-- All of Gagner's 8 points came in periods two and three, and he then scored another 3 points in the first period of his next game vs. Detroit (and then later scored in the shoot-out, which the Oilers won). Consequently, he in fact scored 11 points in three periods of hockey. (Even more improbable is that he did that against two of the best teams in the League at the time.)

-- His 11 points were all consecutive scores by Edmonton, setting a new franchise record. (Wayne Gretzky had previously scored 10 consecutive points, twice.)

 
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Everyone remembers that Sam Gagner of the Oilers inexplicably scored 8 points in one game against Chicago, in February 2012. (He remains the only NHL player to score 8 points in game since Mario Lemieux in 1989.) However, two details about that week are often overlooked:

-- All of Gagner's 8 points came in periods two and three, and he then scored another 3 points in the first period of his next game vs. Detroit (and then later scored in the shoot-out, which the Oilers won). Consequently, he in fact scored 11 points in three periods of hockey. (Even more improbable is that he did that against two of the best teams in the League at the time.)

-- His 11 points were all consecutive scores by Edmonton, setting a new franchise record. (Wayne Gretzky had previously scored 10 consecutive points, twice.)



I was at this game.

Earlier that day I was speaking with my best friend and asking if he was going to watch the game. (Remember this is during the Oilers decade of darkness) His response was "nothing ever good happens in the regular season". Poor guy never got to see it.

This is the same guy that when the Oilers were down 3-0 to Dallas with 4 minutes left in the game went to bed. He never saw the Oilers come back and win in OT.

I bug him about these 2 events often.
 
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I was at this game.

Earlier that day I was speaking with my best friend and asking if he was going to watch the game. (Remember this is during the Oilers decade of darkness) His response was "nothing ever good happens in the regular season". Poor guy never got to see it.

This is the same guy that when the Oilers were down 3-0 to Dallas with 4 minutes left in the game went to bed. He never saw the Oilers come back and win in OT.

I bug him about these 2 events often.
My friend got free tickets to the game and I somewhat laughed at him and warned him that Chicago was going to be looking for redemption. The previous game in Edmonton the Oilers(miraculously) blitzed the Hawks for 9 goals, which I had the pleasure of watching live. Little did I know the next game was going to be even more memorable...
 
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Rick Green scored only 3 playoff goals in his career.

Each of the 3 were scored in the third period of a series finale.

The 1st was in the final game of the 2nd round in '84 against Quebec.

The 2nd and 3rd were both scored in the third period of the final game of the playoffs (i.e. the Stanley Cup winning game) - both against Calgary - in '86 and '89.
 
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Sami salo, Jarkko ruutu and Toni lydman are for my account only players in hockey history which have lost 4 big finals!. Stanley cup, World cup final, olympic final, World championship final. kimmo timonen were also on the list but he won the cup in Chicago 2015.
 
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Sami salo, Jarkko ruutu and Toni lydman are for my account only players in hockey history which have lost 4 bigt finals!. Stanley cup, World cup final, olympic final, World championship final. kimmo timonen were also on the list but he won the cup in Chicago 2015.

Thats right. But also Jussi Jokinen has an amazing and somehow unlucky career.

He wasnt in Stanley Cup finals. But he was on Carolina roster in 2008/2009 - they lost in Conference finals to Pittsburgh. In 2012/2013 he switched to Pittsburgh. After 2013/2014 he was gone (Florida). Pens won 2 Cups in 2016 and 2017.

Now to international Competitions. This picture borrowed from Eliteprospects tells it very precisely:

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Some very early NHL obscura, courtesy of Brian McFarlane's book 50 Years Of Hockey: 1917-1967 ...
• Defenseman Frank "King" Clancy entered the NHL in the 1921-22 season with the original Ottawa Senators. He was credited with his first professional goal (a game winner in OT) on his first shot, which entered the Hamilton goal through the side netting.
• Ottawa's Frank Nighbor played six consecutive full games at center (no substitutions) in the 1922-23 season.
• In the 1923 Stanley Cup Finals (NHL's Senators vs. the W.C.H.L's Edmonton Eskimos), King Clancy played at all 6 positions in one game (both D spots, all 3 forward positions, and in the net when goalie Clint Benedict was sent off for a penalty).
 

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HHOF member Jake Milford [in as a builder] bounced around the minor pro leagues during his playing career.

He made hockey history when Eddie Shore traded him from Springfield to Buffalo of the AHL for 2 sets of used Art Ross goal nets.
 

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HHOF member Jake Milford [in as a builder] bounced around the minor pro leagues during his playing career.

He made hockey history when Eddie Shore traded him from Springfield to Buffalo of the AHL for 2 sets of used Art Ross goal nets.

I can be wrong but based on Elite Prospects, Jake Milford never played for Springfield nor Buffalo.
 

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Some very early NHL obscura, courtesy of Brian McFarlane's book 50 Years Of Hockey: 1917-1967 ...
• Defenseman Frank "King" Clancy entered the NHL in the 1921-22 season with the original Ottawa Senators. He was credited with his first professional goal (a game winner in OT) on his first shot, which entered the Hamilton goal through the side netting.
• Ottawa's Frank Nighbor played six consecutive full games at center (no substitutions) in the 1922-23 season.
• In the 1923 Stanley Cup Finals (NHL's Senators vs. the W.C.H.L's Edmonton Eskimos), King Clancy played at all 6 positions in one game (both D spots, all 3 forward positions, and in the net when goalie Clint Benedict was sent off for a penalty).
re: Nighbor

How common was it for a player to play a full game around that time?
 
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