Discussion in 'Carolina Hurricanes' started by Navin R Slavin, May 24, 2020.
I just want to see some hockey. At least we "made the playoffs".
I hate them personally. So sick of all the losses like against Tampa.
At least the Capitals are legitimately a good team and I think weve actually had more success against them? Also hard for me to hate the Capitals when they have about as many playoff wins as the Cubs.
LOL at Vatanen over Fleury.
You guys are fine. You let me stay in character on your GDTs.
What ya mean my friend that we "let you stay in character on our GDT's?" If you mean do we welcome our opposing fan base to come to our board and state their cases...absolutely. Heck one of the things I enjoy most here is bantering with opposing fan bases especially classy ones like you guys.
There are some ass clowns out there on some boards but most who come to ours are cool. I also luv to come over to opposing teams board and chat and talk some shit. So long as one is respectful and not trolling...why not...right?
To explain a bit further, under normal circumstances (an NHL season going on instead of a pandemic) I am “in character” as in I act like an absolutely over the top version of myself who uses lot of capital letters, the word Vengeance and such.
Best explained by this example.
Shed of Vengeance
Wow, breaking kayfabe... I didn’t know that wasn’t you!
It is still very much me. I am very complex individual. I just exaggerate some of my traits.
Am I still nuts?
But can I be completely unhinged when I am at the hospital? Well... yes in terms of energy, vocal intensity and enthusiasm. But I gotta put down that BLOODTHIRST YOU KNOW.
...Don't we all?
I don't think Rod will play a defenseman as a 12th forward, regardless of our depth. With Geekie's emergence (which admittedly could see regression) and need at the center position, we have 13 NHL-quality forwards, so someone like Martinook/McGinn/Niederreiter/Dzingel is going to sit. Do you think Rod wants to sit an additional one of those guys *in the playoffs* so he can add a 7th defenseman?
It would be different if the top-6 defensemen lacked a particular quality (PP/PK) which required a supplement, but the PP will only require 2/3 (Hamilton, Vatanen, Gardiner, Slavin?, Skjei?) and the PK requires 4 (Hamilton, Slavin, both bottom-pair guys, Skjei?), so I think the bases are covered.
He’s already sat guys like you’ve mentioned up front. Pretty obvious he’s going to do that again and there’s no need to start doing something completely new in the playoffs like play a D up front. Not his style to try something new like that at a key time. Not to mention no defenseman we have would be better at being a fourth line forward than the guys we could put there.
Im a little worried about Vatanen With Rod. Given time it’s possible he would be our best PP guy maybe even over Hamilton based on puck movement, though we need a big shot from there too so that’s personal preference. He could/should easily be a top four guy for us. Rod is a big “devil you know” guy and I could see him going so far as to sit Vatanen in favor of TVR or Edmunson. That would be a shame because this guy could be a perfect fit for us. Based on the past he’s our best all around offensive dman, obviously he’s had a rough year with injuries and contract issues over his head. No knowing if he’s going to play well for this tournament even if he gets in. I’d just love to see that play out a bit and hope we at least get a good look at the guy.
I feel like Geekie is likely but not guaranteed to be centering the 4th line in the first game and Dzingle will be the odd man out. Who knows what happens from there... kinda neat to have these conversations instead of the years we spent with half the roster being spare parts. I imagine they'll start with something like
Necas Trocheck Foegele
Nino Staal Williams
Martinook Geekie Mcginn
I think it’ll be those guys, maybe shuffled a bit but that’s the likely group. Dzingel has been the odd man out, which is nuts considering how much Cbus gave up to get him last trade deadline. He’s a good player, just a bad fit with the coach.
I can actually see arguments for any of our D-men except TvR. I can't pick a single time this season where I was like - thank goodness TvR is on the Defense.
Even with all the horrible pinches and brain farts Edmundson had at times, he was still more noticeable and effective overall. TVR was invisible for the most part, and I honestly can't think of a single memorable play from him this year. He seemed to be rounding into a good 2nd/3rd pair type of #4/5 d-man last year, this year he's been pretty replacement level. Maybe I'm just not remembering since it has been damn near 3 months since hockey??
If you bench anyone for Geekie, bench McGinn, not Dzingel, but then again, we all know what Brindy's going to do. Brindy IMO needs to play Dzingel with actual offensive players like Trocheck. At his best, the offense that he produces way out-balances his defensive issues. Not every player on your top-6 needs to be a 200-footer. Honestly, these are the lines that they should go for:
Right shots in all but 1 line, strong-sides on strong-sides on defense ready for when Panarin and Zibanejad go ham, and offensive skill throughout. If Foegele turns into McLovin again, then promote him to the 2nd line and demote the slumping guy to a lower line. If Geekie's start was just a flash in the pan, swap him with McGinn and shift Marty to 4C.
What is TvR supposed to do there? Side or not, Fleury or even Eddy over him any day of this season.
Like... I actually get Gardiner. You like the player and you think that he will be all healed up and ready to roll. Ok.
But seriously I don't get TvR at all. We have been absolutely fine with hands even though we had almost everyone on the left side.
I am not even sure about Skjei over Fleury. Skjei is basically a 25-point per year D-man. That was Fleury's pace this year. Maybe @Maximus can chime in, but there are multiple posts by NYR fans about Skjei's defensive lapses (including a YouTube compilation). Fleury was beginning to look like an above-average defender in Feb/March.
If the Canes want to beat Shesterkin then they will need to do exactly what Geekie did better than anyone else on the team for his 2 game stint. Get to the front of the net and create havoc. With NYR's undersized and/or slow defensive group they should lean on Geekie to do that IMO.
I think that TVR's back half of the season was underappreciated. Him and Haydn Fleury were both some of our better depth defensemen on our team in the 2nd half of the year as far as even-strength possession metrics were concerned (and which, at least to me, matched the eye test, especially when he wasn't over-slotted, which he almost certainly won't be this postseason unless our defensemen drop like flies). As long as Pesce isn't ready, I think that TVR will likely be the #6 guy. It's ideal to have your defensemen play their strong sides as a general rule, especially when the opposing club has a top 6 as lethal as the Rangers do. Unless a guy like Fleury or Eddy vastly overperforms in scrimmages (quite possible in the former's case), I'd probably go with TVR in Game 1 and keep Skjei on his strong side.
Your new boy toy from us Skjei is probably about on par with Fleury overall IMO. Offensively from having watched him closely for past 5 years, I think he's better than a 25 point Dman with 35 points as his ceiling.
I'm probably in the minority of most of my brothers in Rangerland as I liked Skjei more than most as he was a good Ranger for most part. You'd never know that tho listening to some of my Ranger goombas who thought he should have turned into a Brian Leetch which was never ever going too happen after his first season with us which was very good.
He's a great skater with as much speed on the back end as you'll find in the league but I'm guessing you guys have seen that already. I like him and he has skills. I thought he got a bad rap to be honest. If it was me, I like Skjei in your 3rd pairing if possible and if need be the 2nd pairing if I had too.
Curious, which way is Brind'amour leaning from what you guys have been reading/hearing and who would he be paired with?
Not sure exactly what it is you speak of other than I can absolutely tell you are as passionate about your Canes as I am about my Rangers. I have not a doubt in my mind that it's going to be a great series. The thing I'm wondering about and I said so on my board, how is the fact that there are going to be no fans going to influence the series...right?
I mean are they going too pump in some crowd noise? One of the things we love in Rangerland is when we score a goal, I'm sure you guys know our goal song, but we think it's the best goal song in the leauge and it gets us fans really going. I've heard your goal horn/song as well and it's pretty dang good as well and I'm sure it pumps you guys up.
We are all going to be heading into virgin territory as none of us have ever experienced playoffs withought a playoff type atmosphere. I know for me as I've been to half a dozen Ranger playoff games over the years including one playoff game during the '94 Cup run and there is nothing like the electricity of a playoff game for me at MSG and I'm sure for you guys at your PNC arena, which from what I saw from afar on TV, last year during the playoffs was pretty dang electric and loud as shit.
It's easy 10 x's more intense than even the most intense regular season that you guys played this year or my team. And the players feed off of that. Now what do they feed off of? We'll see soon enough but it's going to be real interesting to see if these games between our two teams will be as intense as it no doubt would have been had be had things been normal and playing in our home barns and shit like that.
Definitely gonna be weird. But I have seen fair share of “neutral” games in Euro Hockey Tour. (Example - Czech Republic vs Sweden in Russia) I think the announcers will be the ones put to their greatest test yet.
Yeah I hear ya but this is the playoffs tho...the NHL playoffs!!. Nothing in professional sports IMO is as intense as the playoffs in our beloved sport whether it be the opening round or the Cup finals. I know we feel at MSG we have a huge home ice advantage and I'm sure you guys feel at RNC that you guys do.
Now there is no home ice advantage for anyone and that makes having that 7th game or in your case having that 5th game being played in your barn eliminated. It's bizarro world and it's going to be the most unique and odd playoffs any of us have ever seen in our lifetimes.
Players should be able to find the motivation. In the current state of events, their return to ice would be a welcome semblance of normality for people in NA. (I am Czech to be clear.)
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