Proposal: NYR/ANA/EDM

WhatTheDuck

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To Anaheim - Pavel Buchnevich, Carter Savoie

To Edmonton - Rickard Rakell 50% retained

To NYR - Isac Lundestrom, Oilers 2021 1st, Oilers 2022 2nd


Edmonton can easily be swapped out here for whichever other teams would be willing to give up a 1st and a couple B assets for Rakell at 1.9M. Considered also using Manson for this portion of the trade.

If Buchnevich is available, he represents the type of player Anaheim needs to be looking into. He's proving he can produce and he's young enough to commit to long term. It's difficult to give up a young NHL center with upside in Lundestrom, but the Ducks top 6 could use at least one more sure thing.

From the Rangers side, I read a couple comments that a cheap young center who could slide into a 3C role, would represent at least one of your needs. Lundestrom is a strong and competitive, in the very least will round out as a solid character center. He's still sort of finding his identity on the offensive side, remains to be seen whether he can grow into top 6 type production. Sam Steel was another consideration but I thought Lundestrom offered more value at this point.

Again I was sort of operating under the notion that there might not be enough long term money to give Buchnevich a big extension, hence the offering of cheap young assets. But if its rather a case of the Rangers needing to spend that money on other needs (have read that a top four D upgrade would be one of them), would there would any chance that a Fowler/Buch trade could be possible?
 
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5cotland

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Seems Oilers really paying a hell of a lot for a rental. Savoie had a great rookie NCAA season.

Lundestrom does nothing for NYR as Chytil is 3C atm and wouldnt be enough as a main piece for Buchnevich.

I understand your logic but I just dont a see a fit and feel Oilers slightly fleeced here.
 

Paul4587

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How good is Carter Savoie projected to be? Without knowing much about him I think I prefer to send him to NY and leave Lundestrom out of the proposal. But again I’m not overly familiar with him so could be wrong there.
 

WhatTheDuck

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Seems Oilers really paying a hell of a lot for a rental. Savoie had a great rookie NCAA season.

Lundestrom does nothing for NYR as Chytil is 3C atm and wouldnt be enough as a main piece for Buchnevich.

I understand your logic but I just dont a see a fit and feel Oilers slightly fleeced here.

I've seen a few Oilers fans willing to give up a 1st + good prospect for Rakell. Didn't think 2021 1st + Savoie + 2nd was too far out line, Rakell for less than 2M is a pretty good asset for a contender in this flat cap era. The value of the add on pieces could certainly be worked on.

I wasn't exactly sure where things stood regarding Chytil and his position, has he been deployed as a full time center of late? I thought maybe he would slide into a top 6 role in the absence of Buchnevich. Thought I saw at least a couple comments about needing a 3C while browsing the Rangers board.
 
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Trxjw

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You're right about there likely not being enough money to keep Buch around. I think Lundestrom could be an interesting target. However, I think I like the potential more than the probability with him. I see him more as a strong 3C down the road as opposed to that two-way 2C we'd love to add to the fold. A good piece, and a much needed piece to round out the team, but not sure he's the guy I'd really hope for as a centerpiece in a Buchnevich trade. We're also sort of beyond the part of the rebuild where key guys should go for picks but depending on what the market was for the Oilers first I'm sure we could turn it into something useful.

Getting a top-4 LHD in a Buch trade would be great, but Fowler is making too much money to really be a fit. Plus I think the team intends to try and get someone who's a little more defensive minded who has some bite in his game.
 
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LTIR

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Edmonton fans seem pretty high on Savoie. If they think he is a deal-breaker, then replace him with a less valuable asset.
Sure, switch Savoie to Benson or Marody and its a deal.

Rakell retained for Benson+1st+2nd
 

One Winged Angel

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Not enough for Buchnevich. Lundestrom isn’t a bad player, but I don’t see him being an improvement on Chytil, thus giving the Rangers no reason for it.

If Buchnevich isn’t sent to Buffalo for Eichel, I’d be willing to listen if Anaheim could offer something else worthwhile.
 

bernmeister

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To Anaheim - Pavel Buchnevich, Carter Savoie

To Edmonton - Rickard Rakell 50% retained

To NYR - Isac Lundestrom, Oilers 2021 1st, Oilers 2022 2nd


Edmonton can easily be swapped out here for whichever other teams would be willing to give up a 1st and a couple B assets for Rakell at 1.9M. Considered also using Manson for this portion of the trade.

If Buchnevich is available, he represents the type of player Anaheim needs to be looking into. He's proving he can produce and he's young enough to commit to long term. It's difficult to give up a young NHL center with upside in Lundestrom, but the Ducks top 6 could use at least one more sure thing.

From the Rangers side, I read a couple comments that a cheap young center who could slide into a 3C role, would represent at least one of your needs. Lundestrom is a strong and competitive, in the very least will round out as a solid character center. He's still sort of finding his identity on the offensive side, remains to be seen whether he can grow into top 6 type production. Sam Steel was another consideration but I thought Lundestrom offered more value at this point.

Again I was sort of operating under the notion that there might not be enough long term money to give Buchnevich a big extension, hence the offering of cheap young assets. But if its rather a case of the Rangers needing to spend that money on other needs (have read that a top four D upgrade would be one of them), would there would any chance that a Fowler/Buch trade could be possible?

since orig hope/expectation of Drury + 1st for not happening, Drury will play for Canes, then this is a worthwhile alternative

thumbs up OP

I would, howev, switch that from
2022 2nd and 2021 1st
to
2021 2nd and 2022 1s
instead
b'c 1sts this yr mostly suck ass


Seems Oilers really paying a hell of a lot for a rental. Savoie had a great rookie NCAA season.

Lundestrom does nothing for NYR as Chytil is 3C atm and wouldnt be enough as a main piece for Buchnevich.

I understand your logic but I just dont a see a fit and feel Oilers slightly fleeced here.

Chytil is 2C material w/1C upside and will be needed when we trade both of Strome + Zib relatively soon for cap reasons.
 

WidgitRibbit

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Rangers doesn’t have a front office yet, let alone a coach with everyone fired.

I think Rangers have bigger fish to fry than looking to trades in off season. So Rangers say no for that main purpose until they get everything established.
 

Jumptheshark

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Seems Oilers really paying a hell of a lot for a rental. Savoie had a great rookie NCAA season.

Lundestrom does nothing for NYR as Chytil is 3C atm and wouldnt be enough as a main piece for Buchnevich.

I understand your logic but I just dont a see a fit and feel Oilers slightly fleeced here.


Yep. Oilers give to much up for 1 year of a player. We need to start keeping our picks. I guess the 50 % retention is suppose to mean everything for the deal, but the ask is too much.
 

GAGLine

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Rangers doesn’t have a front office yet, let alone a coach with everyone fired.

I think Rangers have bigger fish to fry than looking to trades in off season. So Rangers say no for that main purpose until they get everything established.

Drury has a lot on his plate, but he will absolutely be wheeling and dealing. Decisions have to be made on the long term plans for players like Zib and Buch, plus there's no way Dolan will be happy with the status quo. Even if no one had gotten fired, we would have seen a bunch of moves to reshape the roster to make the team harder to play against. Those moves still need to happen.
 
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Zegs2sendhelp

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Seemed kinda expensive for Edmonton

I think something like
Rakell at 50%
For
1st + benson

and if we want buch we just deal with the rangers up front
 
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TFHockey

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Some kind of extension needs to be pre-negotiated for Rakell. That's a lot for a rental.

Counter: Rakell @100% + 3rd for 1st + Benson.
 

sbjnyc

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Rangers doesn’t have a front office yet, let alone a coach with everyone fired.

I think Rangers have bigger fish to fry than looking to trades in off season. So Rangers say no for that main purpose until they get everything established.
The front office didn't get a shakeup in order to do nothing. That's what we're afraid of.
 

cwede

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replace Lundestrom, w Groulx plus Colangelo ,and NYR maybe more tempted, seeking size along with skill
 

Roof Daddy

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Seemed kinda expensive for Edmonton

I think something like
Rakell at 50%
For
1st + benson

and if we want buch we just deal with the rangers up front

That seems very reasonable. Would love it if it happened on draft day.
 

Vitto79

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To Anaheim - Pavel Buchnevich, Carter Savoie

To Edmonton - Rickard Rakell 50% retained

To NYR - Isac Lundestrom, Oilers 2021 1st, Oilers 2022 2nd


Edmonton can easily be swapped out here for whichever other teams would be willing to give up a 1st and a couple B assets for Rakell at 1.9M. Considered also using Manson for this portion of the trade.

If Buchnevich is available, he represents the type of player Anaheim needs to be looking into. He's proving he can produce and he's young enough to commit to long term. It's difficult to give up a young NHL center with upside in Lundestrom, but the Ducks top 6 could use at least one more sure thing.

From the Rangers side, I read a couple comments that a cheap young center who could slide into a 3C role, would represent at least one of your needs. Lundestrom is a strong and competitive, in the very least will round out as a solid character center. He's still sort of finding his identity on the offensive side, remains to be seen whether he can grow into top 6 type production. Sam Steel was another consideration but I thought Lundestrom offered more value at this point.

Again I was sort of operating under the notion that there might not be enough long term money to give Buchnevich a big extension, hence the offering of cheap young assets. But if its rather a case of the Rangers needing to spend that money on other needs (have read that a top four D upgrade would be one of them), would there would any chance that a Fowler/Buch trade could be possible?

Not sure why it’s so to understand that NYR is done trading for kids

they are going to deal some for bigger names
 

ChaoticOrange

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Savoie's found money at this point, I'd have a hard time trading him in that deal.

1st+2nd is fine, but the prospect's going to be a sticking point. I'd do a guy like Blumel or Kesselring.
 

Perfect_Drug

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Oooof. I'd want assurances he's extended.

But for some reason, I also want us to to keep that 1st so we can be "in" on Eichel.
 

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