Syckle78
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They have also drafted well, it seems. Even though Quincey for a first was and is a facepalm.
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They have also drafted well, it seems. Even though Quincey for a first was and is a facepalm.
I see there is 8 pages mostly rage against Holland and Babcock.
But I do not think this is a bad move. Maybe Tatar will be down for some games and then called up again soon.
He needs some polishing. He was great in the offensive zone when we establish our game in the offensive zone. But we struggle to do so.
Babcock wants the team to play good solid defence 1st, he is very conservative when it comes to offense.
But I do not think this is a bad move. Maybe Tatar will be down for some games and then called up again soon.
He needs some polishing. He was great in the offensive zone when we establish our game in the offensive zone. But we struggle to do so.
Babcock wants the team to play good solid defence 1st, he is very conservative when it comes to offense.
At this point he needs to keep playing the NHL to get better. Refining his game in the AHL after three seasons is a waste of time.
Working in 4 rookies, Kinld and Kronwall getting his new role is too much at the same time.
I like Tatar a lot, his offensive game is great. He'll be back.
And what better way to do this than alongside a Datsyuk or Zetterberg.
He'll get more experience playing against better players, will spend time in the offensive zone with better offensive players (with all due respect to Andersson and Eaves), and can't possibly do a worse job than Clearly or Abdelkader (and I mean that wholeheartedly.)
I think he feels the team has to be conservative offensively to compensate for our weak defense.
Why else would he have had Cleary, Abby and Datsyuk together?
This is unrelated, but I hope they trade Abdelkader if he has any value. Between Tootoo, Sheahan, Andersson and Emmerton, he's pretty expendable.
i do give him credit for alot of things, I just suggest that some give him credit simply because of his name
he navigated the return from the cap for sure but he didnt have to actually go out and find any elite core players, he simply let bottom feeders walk and replaced them with cheaper and sometimes younger bottom feeders(is it sorta like bringing in white, coliacovo, sammy, huskins etc this past summer?)
rafalski signing was a good one but I dont think fletecher is a great GM because he signed parise or suter as free agents(hometown boys signed to more then others offered, so otherwise simply bought aka the new york yankees business model)
stuart for a 2nd rd pick at the deadline was a good move
to me its like people claiming shero is a great GM because he signed Dupuis and encouraged the coach to give more ice time to crosby, malkin and letang. Give me a break any monkey could make that decision. No its the moves to acquire Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski and turning a UFA you couldnt afford to keep into Suter, and an 8th overall pick and freeing up 60 million dollars that has made Shero a great GM. Now if KH goes out and trades Filppula to lets say Edmonton for MPS and the 8th overall pick and then trades Ericsson to lets say the Isles for Moulson and Hamonic I would say he was/is a genius..
Hollands most impactful personnel moves were quite literally 15 plus years ago where correct me if I am wrong, traded a bag of pucks for Draper and traded Primeau for Shanahan?
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That's what I think.
Babcock has Tatar, Nyquist, Andersson, Smith, Lashoff,*Kindl (not rookie, but...) and Kronwall, that is 5 rookies+Kindl+Krowall with a much bigger role. Then Quincey and Ericsson.
With this defence and so many rookies this team would struggle a lot.
It will be interesting to see how this develops.
I liked what I saw from Tatar and Andersson.
TCNorthstars
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Who is going to trade for garbage? If no one trades for the garbage, do you really want $4.6M of cap sitting in the AHL?
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Abby is not garbage. He's being misused. He's a hammer when we need a screwdriver. Stick him on the 4rth line as a winger tasked with hitting and occasionally fighting while playing sound defensively and it'll be good. I believe he will improve when kept within his role and ability as he gets older. We can't do anything about his pay.
That line up would be awesome except Tootoo has been playing too well not to be in the lineup. Swap Tootoo for Cleary, Eaves or Abby. Again Hollands logjam of forwards.
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It seems like, according to Babcock anyway, that defensive players can't be misused; only offensive players can. A defensive player with too many minutes will "create space" and keep the score even.
Cyborg Yzerberg
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That's too bad. You shouldn't have saved up all your rookies for the same year
Next year, it only gets more crowded
Cyborg Yzerberg
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That's too bad. You shouldn't have saved up all your rookies for the same year
Next year, it only gets more crowded
Next year is going to be exceptionally tumultuous in my approximation. Nyquist and Tatar should have a full time position, and then there's the matter of Ferraro, Jarnkrok, and Sheahan(not that any of these players are guaranteed roster positions). We still have a log jam in the bottom 6, as well as players like Sammy and Bert who still have another year on their contracts. God, I can only imagine what would happen if Holland re-signed Dan Cleary. It'd only make things more crowded(for no reason, obviously)
That's too bad. You shouldn't have saved up all your rookies for the same year
Next year, it only gets more crowded
If we had Nyquist and Smith up most of last year and planned better for Lidstrom leaving than just hoping Sutter signed here than all these guys might not be so inexperienced.
Like others said, next year it gets even worse but the good news is we are going to become a much younger team with potential and more speed and then we can strengthen our top 6 a little bit
There might be growing pains but we need to transition from old vets to our young guys instead of them wasting away in the AHL. Then if we can bring in a big name or 2 for our top 6 and top 2 for D we can still compete for the cup for Dats and Z's last years while Jarnkrok is being groomed. I really hope Jarnkrok comes in to learn from Datsyuk and Z while theyre still here.
I truly believe, and from interviews it seems so do our core players, that the elite veteran presence taught them so much. Echoing sentiments from earlier, Holland used to do that with the team. But not anymore? Why the change?
GoAwayDanCleary
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Datsyuk wouldn't be half the player he is today if it weren't for Hull and some of the other veterans.
From the way he treats his sticks to the way he thinks the game, Pavs was greatly influenced by the veterans. He's stated it many times in interviews of how great their impact had on him. Z too.
It's a shame that Holland apparently doesn't value that anymore. Just think of what Smith could've learned from Lidstrom. Or what Nyquist and Tatar could both be learning from Z and Pavs. If we want to keep a solid core in the future they need to learn how to be a "Red Wing", and the best way to do that is by being with guys like Z, Pavs and Nick on a daily basis.
I have a feeling Holland already has him slotted in as a life long Red Wing, but I'm pretty curious what another teams would be willing to trade for him. I don't think he's garbage, and I agree that he's being misused. But I still don't think he's much of a factor, even as a 4th line winger. We have a few young guys with more offensive upside that can replace him now, not to mention what's available out there in FA. I think Emmerton is on Abdelkaders level now (maybe not physically), and will probably continue to develop.
Personally, I value Drew Miller over Abdelkader, but maybe that's just me.
When I saw it first...
When I used to it...
: Now im still confusedbut...
what I want now is Tatar demanding a trade somwhere out of this team
look what other teams are doing with their rookies...
ebis
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I was really disappointed. DRW were one of my favorite teams growing up so I will always like the team but the way they are treating Tatar is just not nice. The guy is really talented and all his talent is going to waste, he needs to play with the best. If he is not allowed to do that in the NHL, he should do it in KHL. Trade him or lose him.
Apparently, this is why he was sent down.
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/03/valtteri_filppulas_return_to_d.html
He earned it, but he's still going back down. Tatar can still get his touches on the third line. Or hell, have Flipper center the third line and give Tatar top6 time. That'll give him some touches. Point is, the team is so much stronger with him in the lineup. He's outplayed at least 6 of our forwards and he makes stuff happen.
And like Babcock has had to admit, the kid *earned* his spot. Apparently that doesn't mean jack because they're still sending him down. Let's not kid ourselves, this is "asset management." The only question is, is it good asset management that won't bite us in the ass later.
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/03/valtteri_filppulas_return_to_d.html
He earned it, but he's still going back down. Tatar can still get his touches on the third line. Or hell, have Flipper center the third line and give Tatar top6 time. That'll give him some touches. Point is, the team is so much stronger with him in the lineup. He's outplayed at least 6 of our forwards and he makes stuff happen.
And like Babcock has had to admit, the kid *earned* his spot. Apparently that doesn't mean jack because they're still sending him down. Let's not kid ourselves, this is "asset management." The only question is, is it good asset management that won't bite us in the ass later.
Syckle78
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I'm not saying stick Abdelkader in the AHL. However, wasted Capspace in the minors is a lot less concerning than bad players blocking the way of players that have the potential to help improve this team going forward.
GoAwayDanCleary
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Take his comments with a grain of salt. If he earned it, then he'd still beip here. Apparently Gator is more vital to the PP than Tats
Joke of an orginization.
Syckle78
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Take his comments with a grain of salt. If he earned it, then he'd still beip here. Apparently Gator is more vital to the PP than Tats
Joke of an orginization.
That's really one of my problems with this coach/front office. They like to preach the work hard and earn it line. Yet they hardly seem to practice that tenet. Seems like you are either favored or you aren't. This is the exact opposite of the way a team should be run when transitioning to younger players.
