Friedman: Nylander XIII - Officially on the block, per Friedman (ALL NYLANDER TALK HERE)

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It's amazing that Nylander is a $8.5 million player and Dubas is lowballing him but isn't worth more than lower end middle pairing defenceman. This thread blows my mind.
It's also amazing that Matthews isn't a top 30 centre in the NHL but is going to sign for $16 million minimum.
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You seem more like you’d prefer hfboards did change.
 

mouser

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Both sides are certainly are under pressure to get a deal done but I'm not sold that the Leafs will make some knee jerk reaction trade because they don't want him to sit out for the year.

Fully agree. Just wanted to highlight the deadline isn't a one-sided thing.
 

Shesterkybomb

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They're all leaving in the next few weeks when an offersheet would have to be done?

IF there was any chance of an offer sheet from them, which is highly unlikely given the GM's in the leagues unwillingness to do them, they could make a move at any time, it sounds like Hayes and Zuccarello could go anytime even without an offer sheet. Scouts are everywhere at the Rangers games
 

Dustin

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The Leafs cant let him sit for the year, their window is now and delaying his signing is only hurting their chances.
Hurting their chances at what? Giordano "sat" for a year and came back the next year and signed with the Flames. He's done pretty well for himself.

If Nylander wants to play in the NHL he has to come to terms with whatever team holds his rights until he's 27. Regardless of how this plays out the Leafs still get to play NHL games and compete. Nylander is the only one losing out in that perspective.

The Leafs are under pressure because clearly they are a better team with Nylander in the lineup than without. Trading him for anything less than something that will make the club better is not an option.
 

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It doesn't work like that in a business where there are established market values and public disclosure of contracts.

You can't just pay some players (especially the ones who have the least leverage/rights/resume/importance) proportionally more than others because "meh, they want it", while holding out on others, for no understandable reason. If you pay Nylander 1m/year more than he's worth because "maybe he'll earn it eventually", then you're doing at least that for a lot of other players, and suddenly you are running your team at a HUGE disadvantage. You just went and told all of your players that you will pay them favourably for things they haven't done.

You wouldn't be compromising for the betterment of the team. You'd be destroying the team, and even under the best scenario, you'd be shortening their window considerably. Sometimes holding firm is a team's best move.
Having raised seven kids from birth to adulthood, it doesn't work too well for parenting either. You're beaten as a parent if you don't set clear boundaries for one and for all. Otherwise, you just don't know what will test you next time.
 

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That wasn't the question tho. You say Leafs will be losers in a proposed deal because a) YOU want so see Nylander signed (who doesn't ?) and you state that involving more players wouldn't sway the transaction in your favor.

Nylander isn't signed at 8.5M, but he isn't signed at 6 either....as much as unicorny and mythical that sounds for you.

It's amazing that you guys still believe Nylander will magically cave in from his demands that he's been so far strongly holding for, just because he may lose a year. I honestly think at this point Nylander is ready to lose a year. Are Leafs ? That remains to be seen. If they trade/sign him higher than when they wanted...they weren't. If they let him sit, then yep they were.
You asked a question that can't be answered....Nylander isn't nor will be signed to 8.5 million, not by Toronto, and not by any other team. So my feelings on that are moot.
 
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gifted88

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At what point does the relationship between the team and the player diminish? They had Mike Peca on the radio discussing his missed season due to contract dispute, he said he hated the Sabres management because of it and didn't even want to play there even if they paid him what he wanted.

Would a missed season tarnish the relationship? Or could it still be salvaged?
 
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DANTHEMAN1967

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Comparing who has the most to lose on December 1st between the Leafs and Nylander is pretty one-sided.

If Nylander doesn't sign before Dec. 1st then:
He will be almost guaranteed to be paid less, whether it is in either the Swedish Elite League or the KHL (his rights are held by Avangard).
The sports medicine, trainers and coaches that the Leafs have available cannot be matched so it is very likely his development will be stunted.
I doubt that the quality of Hotels and definitely the safety of flights (see Lokomotiv Yaroslavl plane crash) can be matched.
He will be in the same position next year as well.

If he hasn't signed by December 1st the Leafs will definitely miss having him for the rest of the year, he is a great player, but they are currently 9-5 in 14 games without him and would have a huge amount of cap space to load up for the playoffs, they would continue to hold Nylander's rights for 4 more years after this one and would have a fan base solidly behind them because it will have been Nylander's decision to abandon the team for the year by not signing. He will be perceived to be greedy and most fans won't want him back.

It is painfully obvious who has the most to lose and why before December 1st the Leafs will either get a very good return in a trade for Nylander or will get his name on a contract that the Leafs feel is fair.
 

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At what point does the relationship between the team and the player diminish? They had Mike Peca on the radio discussing his missed season due to contract dispute, he said he hated the Sabres management because of it and didn't even want to play there even if they paid him what he wanted.

Would a missed season tarnish the relationship? Or could it still be salvaged?
Depends on the maturity of the individual combined with whether both sides are being fair and respectful.
 

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Having raised seven kids from birth to adulthood, it doesn't work too well for parenting either. You're beaten as a parent if you don't set clear boundaries for one and for all. Otherwise, you just don't know what will test you next time.
Seven kids? NICE! Congratulations.
 

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No they dont have to pay what hes demanding

But again, im not going to get into an in-depth conversation right now as to how letting him sit a year would be one of the dirtiest moves by a GM in a long time, as well as a stepping stone for a holdout on the next CBA.

Why would players and agents ever agree to a CBA that allows GMs to bully players into missing entire seasons, just because theyre RFA.

Contractually speaking, it looks very bad on Toronto and Dubas if they let this go past the deadline. Very very bad

Dirtiest move to not overpay a player because he thinks he's worth it? Slap an extra 2.5-3 mil on your 3rd best player under the age of 22 and tell me what it does to your team's cap? Toronto is within their right to take all the time needed if he cannot sign a reasonable deal...nothing dirty at all.
 

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Nylander is from Calgary and the Flames have a few guys from Ontario who they could afford to give up...

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Giordano

To Flames: Nylander
To Leafs: Brodie + Bennett
 
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garyturner3

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The longer Nylander sits out, the more and more it looks like Kapanen can fill his void. That can't be helping his case.

It also is creating a whole new problem for the Leafs' cap. Before this season started I'm sure they assumed they'd be able to lock Kappy up to a very reasonable contract. Now that he's proven he's a more than reliable top 6 forward (with the potential to even be a top line guy), he's gonna cash in. Obviously not as much ad Nylander or Marner, but enough to probably make it impossible to keep the big 4 plus him. But I guess it's a good problem to have. Now that he's proving himself his trade value has skyrocketed so if they're forced to deal him they'll at least get a much better return than they would have 6 months ago.
 

flamesforcup

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Seriously? Wow, maybe i'm way off, but i shoot that down immediately.
Seriously? That would be highway robbery by the Leafs. U got to be kidding me with those expectations. That trade would fix most of the Leafs problems in a heartbeat.
 
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