Nylander vs. Aho

[BB88]

And Aho has a track record of being able to lead a team?

Seems a silly statement considering they’ve had near identical career trajectories so far

Again they are very different types of players, and Aho type is what I'd prefer when building around.
Versatile 2way forward with elite IQ.

Stop looking at just points.

 

[LeafGrief]

I think Aho took a step forward with his game last year that Nylander didn't. I have him ever so slightly ahead right now for that reason. I still see them having similar ceilings and either could be ahead for the next seven times we have this poll over the course of the season.

 

[Critical13]

Again they are very different types of players, and Aho type is what I'd prefer when building around.
Versatile 2way forward with elite IQ.

Stop looking at just points.

Nylander is underrated defensively, great stick work. Also, very smart player. Don't see the huge distinction here. My guess is that Nylander, Ehlers and Aho are all very close again after this year.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Aho is better than Marner, why is this a poll?

So is Nylander

 

[Maplebeasts]

Aho is better than Marner, why is this a poll?

Yeah no he isn't.

 

[OVO16]

Yeah I'll choose Aho. Better two way game

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Aho with the edge. Should be interesting between Larkin, Aho, Nylander and Ehlers the next few years.

 

[ookhaab]

Yeah no he isn't.

Way better defensively, way better goalscorer and plays against harder competition.

What's the argument for marner? I suppose you could argue his 7gp playoff production was elite? Then again, it's very small sample size.

Marner could definitely have better next season when he gets to play Tavares, I give you that.

 

[BB88]

Nylander is underrated defensively, great stick work. Also, very smart player. Don't see the huge distinction here. My guess is that Nylander, Ehlers and Aho are all very close again after this year.

You just keep naming very different types of players.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I will take William, better ppg for two very similar players.

They aren't similar players. Plus Aho is a year younger.

 

[LeafGrief]

Way better defensively, way better goalscorer and plays against harder competition.

What's the argument for marner? I suppose you could argue his 7gp playoff production was elite? Then again, it's very small sample size.

Marner could definitely have better next season when he gets to play Tavares, I give you that.

Marner's competition and defensive responsibilities went through the roof when he was switched from the Bozak/JVR line to the Kadri/Marleau shutdown line.

The Corsica date ranges are always wonky for me, but it's telling me that over 40games from Jan 1st to April 10th, Marner played 5on5 ToIQoC of 29.47. Aho played 29.32 in that time frame.

In the final 41 games of the year, most of which was on the Kadri line, Marner scored 17 goals. Aho is a good goal scorer in his own right, but so is Marner.

If you're going to try to accurately assess Marner's 2017-2108 season, you simply must recognize how different of a player he was in December on the Bozak line to how he played in March on the Kadri line. 40ish games of piss poor production and scoring against weak competition and then 40ish games of PPG production with great scoring against tough competition. Aho was better for the first half of the year and then Marner was better over the second half. I think that it's completely fair to say that Marner took his game to the next level around the midway point last year (his production exploded mid January) and that Aho has not matched that.

 

[Garthinater]

Imo marner>aho>nylander

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

And Aho has a track record of being able to lead a team?

Seems a silly statement considering they’ve had near identical career trajectories so far

Eeehm.. yes? Why do people who don´t know both players even comment?

 

[Big Cactus]

I’ll wait till someone breaks down the numbers. I lean towards Aho but with that being said Nylander is one of the better 5v5 players in the entire league

 

[ookhaab]

Marner's competition and defensive responsibilities went through the roof when he was switched from the Bozak/JVR line to the Kadri/Marleau shutdown line.

The Corsica date ranges are always wonky for me, but it's telling me that over 40games from Jan 1st to April 10th, Marner played 5on5 ToIQoC of 29.47. Aho played 29.32 in that time frame.

In the final 41 games of the year, most of which was on the Kadri line, Marner scored 17 goals. Aho is a good goal scorer in his own right, but so is Marner.

If you're going to try to accurately assess Marner's 2017-2108 season, you simply must recognize how different of a player he was in December on the Bozak line to how he played in March on the Kadri line. 40ish games of piss poor production and scoring against weak competition and then 40ish games of PPG production with great scoring against tough competition. Aho was better for the first half of the year and then Marner was better over the second half. I think that it's completely fair to say that Marner took his game to the next level around the midway point last year (his production exploded mid January) and that Aho has not matched that.

Aho had 5v5 ToiQoc% 29.45 over the whole year, dont cherrypick stats.

Marner also had way more PP points due to Toronto's PP% being 2nd best, while Carolina's was bottom 10.

Also with Bill Peters gone, Carolina's goalscoring should raise anyway.

 

[LeafGrief]

Aho had 5v5 ToiQoc% 29.45 over the whole year, dont cherrypick stats.

Marner also had way more PP points due to Toronto's PP% being 2nd best, while Carolina's was bottom 10.

Also with Bill Peters gone, Carolina's goalscoring should raise anyway.

So I should ignore that Marner's production actually went up when he was given more defensive responsibilities and faced even tougher competition than Aho does?

Is it not fair to think that maybe Toronto's PP was 2nd best because Marner was part of it? He was the PP quarterback for his unit all year.

Glad to hear that Carolina will score more, but perhaps Marner will score more because he's going to be playing with Tavares too.

 

[sansabri]

Canes also played in one of the harder divisions while the Leafs were in the weakest one.

 

[ookhaab]

So I should ignore that Marner's production actually went up when he was given more defensive responsibilities and faced even tougher competition than Aho does?

That's not what I'm saying, you cant cherrypick one specific timeline for both. Sure use your half a season for marner, Aho still outdid that through the whole season.

And give me the numbers on these more defensive responsibilities and tougher competition, otherwise it's just BS.

 

[LakeLivin]

In a Nylander / Aho poll, how is a Nylander / Marner debate at all relevant?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Nylander has more GP/60 then Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby.
Very underrated player.

 

[Pyrophorus]

In a Nylander / Aho poll, how is a Nylander / Marner debate at all relevant?

They've also never played on the same line, and only once ever assisted on a goal.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Way better defensively, way better goalscorer and plays against harder competition.

Since the +/- difference is five points, and points are 4 pts difference, I guess that means Marner way outproduces Aho in straight points.

 

[LeafGrief]

That's not what I'm saying, you cant cherrypick one specific timeline for both. Sure use your half a season for marner, Aho still outdid that through the whole season.

And give me the numbers on these more defensive responsibilities and tougher competition, otherwise it's just BS.

Sure, for the whole season Marner scored 69 points in 1344 minutes of icetime this season. Aho scored 65 in 1398. Full seasons with no cherrypicking, right?

And I mean, sure, feel free to give me the numbers on more defensive responsibilities for Aho as well, with regards to either Marner and Nylander. I did give you the numbers for competition, but apparently half a season doesn't count because only full seasons are relevant info? Lol, saying that a full season is the only relevant info is just cherrypicking your own data.

 

[BAM]

Way better defensively, way better goalscorer and plays against harder competition.

What's the argument for marner? I suppose you could argue his 7gp playoff production was elite? Then again, it's very small sample size.

Marner could definitely have better next season when he gets to play Tavares, I give you that.

So when Marner does well in the playoffs it's a small sample size, but when Matthews struggles in the playoffs last year it matters beyond everything else he's done...interesting

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I'd probably take Aho over Marner also.

you sir are welcome in my hockey pool anytime!!