Nylander OR Ehlers

[93gilmour93]

Willy

 

[Star Ocean]

Are people seriously saying ehlers this season?

 

[34]

Willy is a few tiers above Ehlers.

 

[Romang67]

Are people seriously saying ehlers this season?

Given that the difference so far is PP usage, is doesn't seem that outrageous.

But that requires you to actually look into the stats.

 

[jetsforever]

Are people seriously saying ehlers this season?

Ehlers has actually been really good this season (arguably as good as any Jets forward except maybe Scheifele) but Maurice hates giving him minutes. I don't usually check but I remember a few games ago Kyle Connor (similar level of player overall) had ~10 minutes more than Ehlers did in the game, which is ridiculous.
I'm not saying Nylander isn't great too, but the stats don't reflect everything.

 

[MyBudJT]

Too close to decide IMO

 

[34]

Ehlers. Stats roughly equal (Ehlers has 30 more goals in career). Plus Ehlers is gooning it up.

The only reason Ehlers has more career goals is because Nylander only played half the season last year.

 

[Uncle Bill]

The only reason Ehlers has more career goals is because Nylander only played half the season last year.

Unh, yeah! Got’s to play the games!

 

[Uncle Bill]

Ehlers has never scored more than 29 goals in any season.

Now if you want to include the playoffs Nylander has been the better player during that time. In 20 career playoff games he's had 3 Goals, 8 Assists for 11 points.

Ehlers playoff career is 0 Goals, 7 Assists for 7 points in 21 playoff games.

29 goals is very good production. I’ll stick with Ehlers. You stick with nylander. M-kay!

 

[Uncle Bill]

Are people seriously saying ehlers this season?

Are people seriously saying nylander this season?

That was too easy.

 

[Star Ocean]

Are people seriously saying nylander this season?

That was too easy.

Nylander won the poll. nana

 

[howkie]

Ehlers has a better EVP stats while Willy has better PP-stats. Make your pick accordingly

 

[tapi]

Nylander is one tier ahead

 

[surixon]

Nylander gets 1st unit pp time whereas Ehlers PP time is limited. Give me Ehlers at ES over Nylander. Nylander is likely better on the PP.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Willy is a few tiers above Ehlers.

No, he is most certainly not.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Biggest difference this year is Nylander has started going to the dirty area's. Most of his goals are net front. Not sure if it is still the case, but it was reported recently he was 2nd in the NHL in goals scored in front of the net.

Nylander gets 1st unit pp time whereas Ehlers PP time is limited. Give me Ehlers at ES over Nylander. Nylander is likely better on the PP.

Given that the difference so far is PP usage, is doesn't seem that outrageous.

But that requires you to actually look into the stats.

Ironic..

"Since Sheldon Keefe took over, Nylander has 24 points in 24 games.
His 28 5v5 points on the season rank him 15th in the NHL. That is more than supposed Hart Trophy candidate Jack Eichel. It’s more than Point, Kucherov or Ovechkin.
Nylander has 14 5v5 goals, tied with Ovechkin, Kane, McDavid and MacKinnon.
His 20 goals overall rank him 19th in the NHL.

His 41 points rank him 33rd in the overall scoring race, though it’s worth pointing out that he was not on the first power play unit for half the games so far."

Toronto Maple Leafs: Busting 3 Ridiculous Myths About William Nylander

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think Nylander's better at making those around him productive. Ehlers probably has the edge in goal scoring ability.

I'd lean toward Nylander if I was "building from scratch" and he had to be the best player on a line.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I think Nylander's better at making those around him productive. Ehlers probably has the edge in goal scoring ability.

I'd lean toward Nylander if I was "building from scratch" and he had to be the best player on a line.

I wonder how much of that is their deployments though? Probably hard to know, but I know Ehlers played with Sheif and Wheeler for a while, two play makers, and then with Little the other times, another playmaker. He was put into position to score.

Nylander mostly had a job of passing the puck to Matthews and letting him score. It wasn't until he got switched to JT's line where JT acted as a playmaker for Nylander that he started exploding with his goal scoring.

Small sample size admittedly but just a thought.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I wonder how much of that is their deployments though? Probably hard to know, but I know Ehlers played with Sheif and Wheeler for a while, two play makers, and then with Little the other times, another playmaker. He was put into position to score.

Nylander mostly had a job of passing the puck to Matthews and letting him score. It wasn't until he got switched to JT's line where JT acted as a playmaker for Nylander that he started exploding with his goal scoring.

Small sample size admittedly but just a thought.

Maybe. But it also comes down to a shooter's mentality. I think Nylander, by instinct, will look for the nice pass before taking the shot. Ehlers, by contrast, I think will opt to shoot first and pass second.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Maybe. But it also comes down to a shooter's mentality. I think Nylander, by instinct, will look for the nice pass before taking the shot. Ehlers, by contrast, I think will opt to shoot first and pass second.

That's pretty fair.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Two of the closest players to judge so give me the home boy Ehlers!

 

[Luminiferous]

Ehlers. Better contract, arguably more skill, and did not feel the need to be a complete moron during contract talks. Not to mention the egoism.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Ehlers but it's closer than some Leafs fans are willing to admit. Maurice has some vendetta against him and plays him on PP2 and on the 2nd line no matter what. He's been great this year, and Ehlers only has 5 less pts, but 3 more EV/SH pts. Nylander also plays an entire 1:30 per game more than Ehlers.

 

[Romang67]

Biggest difference this year is Nylander has started going to the dirty area's. Most of his goals are net front. Not sure if it is still the case, but it was reported recently he was 2nd in the NHL in goals scored in front of the net.







Ironic..

"Since Sheldon Keefe took over, Nylander has 24 points in 24 games.
His 28 5v5 points on the season rank him 15th in the NHL. That is more than supposed Hart Trophy candidate Jack Eichel. It’s more than Point, Kucherov or Ovechkin.
Nylander has 14 5v5 goals, tied with Ovechkin, Kane, McDavid and MacKinnon.
His 20 goals overall rank him 19th in the NHL.

His 41 points rank him 33rd in the overall scoring race, though it’s worth pointing out that he was not on the first power play unit for half the games so far."

Toronto Maple Leafs: Busting 3 Ridiculous Myths About William Nylander

Did you quote the wrong person? Or did you mean that, although Ehlers has more 5v5 points while having very few PPP (largely because he gets very little PP time per game and exclusively on the second unit which plays ~30 seconds per PP), the difference in point scoring between the two isn't PP usage?

 

[Saitama]

The only reason Ehlers has more career goals is because Nylander only played half the season last year.

Man, I had no idea Ehlers scored 30 goals while Nylander was out for half a season! I guess this settles it, Ehlers AINEC!