Speculation: Nylander III

[voxel]

Maybe The Leafs can offer a full "No Trade Clause" to help drive down the AAV and get a deal done relatively amicably? That way they guarantee Nylander that he won't just be trade-bait in the future... like he perpetually is here on HFBoards.

Can't. NTC/NMC are only applicable to UFA years.

 

[WolfgangPuck]

What happens if he's not signed by Dec 1st? (Doubt it'll get to that) but just curious

He will lose a year in the NHL and with the Leafs but will still have 5 RFA years remaining.

Similar thing happen to Jets Trouba a couple of years ago Trouba sat out the early part of the season and would have sat out the rest of the year but sign before Dec deadline that year

 

[NoName]

You can't give players who aren't UFA age NTC's or NMCs

Beyond that I am going to guess getting traded is not one of Nylanders biggest worries. lol

I believe you can for their UFA years on their contracts, even if they sign those contracts as RFAs (looking at Ehler's contract here). Seeing as apparently Nylander wants a long term deal offering him a NTC as soon as he is eligible might be a good sweetener. At least then he can reasonably assume that he will have some long-term security in the Leafs.

 

[Doyoulikeapples*]

I don’t understand this response. That’s a fair contract. Do people not realize nylander has to cave soon and except a fair deal or lose money ? This is very close to what he’ll sign for.

 

[Sundinisagod]

There is one big difference between Nylander and Gaudreau. Jonny G didn't have any leverage, since he was not eligible for offer sheets, while Nylander has, but decided not to exploit it.. Yet.

Also, another big difference is that the TML GM wants Nylander to give up more UFA years than Gaudreau, but doesn't want to pay for it...

Who knows, maybe he will decide that he will pass on few extra millions, after-all maybe he is not greedy...Or maybe he will start to look at other alternatives...




Yea, he also though that Kessel and Phaneuf are gonna lead you to the promised land ... And he though that Tyler Biggs was soo awesome that he traded up to grab him... And I could keep going for hours...

Brian Burke was president of hockey operations with Calgary at the time of the Gaudreau holdout, he is speaking from experience dealing with the same agent.

 

[Doyoulikeapples*]

So Leafs want Nylander to take a hometown discount so they can move him easier. Shocking that Nylander isn’t down for this...

At no point did anyone in the leafs organization say this. Brian Burke said it.

 

[NoName]

I don’t understand this response. That’s a fair contract. Do people not realize nylander has to cave soon and except a fair deal or lose money ? This is very close to what he’ll sign for.

Yeah, but its the Leafs so that apparently this seems to mean that we Leaf fans must simultaneously underpay all our players and overvalue them (Nylander's "value seems to be viewed very differently in the "trade" threads and the "contract" threads by certain fans). It is a strange form of double-think; you will get used to it

 

[Doyoulikeapples*]

Just because Ehlers likes Jets management and took a discount doesn’t mean Nylander should make the same choice with an organization that appears set to play hard ball with him and then likely trade him

Again, at what point did anyone in the leafs organization mention anything about potentially trading William Nylander ? Dubas has repeatedly said he is keeping all his young players and they are not available.

 

[NoName]

Again, at what point did anyone in the leafs organization mention anything about potentially trading William Nylander ? Dubas has repeatedly said he is keeping all his young players and they are not available.

Of course for the right offer, anyone is available; that is a GMs job. The hitch there is "for the right offer". That means the scenarios where Nylander is carted off for a return far less then what he is worth are unlikely to happen... outside of a HFBoards thread.

 

[Sparksrus3]

1 year , 3 mill

 

[Doyoulikeapples*]

I love when it comes to the leafs and their players fans of other teams throw logic out the window. They fail to acknowledge these situations happen frequently. They fail to acknowledge nylanders agent literally did this with gaudreau 2 seasons ago and ended up signing a team friendly contract. They fail to acknowledge nylander has ZERO leverage and must cave in the next two days or he loses pay checks. I can’t wait to come back here when nylander signs for around 6-6.5 on Tuesday and read the tasty salty comments.

 

[vivalavili]

1 year , 3 mill

If Leafs want him to sign a bridge contract, he'll get more than 5, probably around 5.5 to 6. The fact is that he's a 22 year old player who has scored 60+ points for two seasons in a row now. Larkin who only had his first great season last year was signed for 6,1m and Nylander will definitely get more than him. People are crazy to think that he'll sign for anything less than 7,5m long term.

 

[Pi]

If Leafs want him to sign a bridge contract, he'll get more than 5, probably around 5.5 to 6. The fact is that he's a 22 year old player who has scored 60+ points for two seasons in a row now. Larkin who only had his first great season last year was signed for 6,1m and Nylander will definitely get more than him. People are crazy to think that he'll sign for anything less than 7,5m long term.

Pastrnak signed for 6.66 for 6 years.

Lets say that Nylander signs for 7 or 8 years, it still wouldn't go over 7M. There is no way he's getting a penny more than 7M on a 7 or 8 year deal. If he signs a 6 year deal, it'll be a little more than Pastrnak to account for the rising cap.

 

[Liferleafer]

Nylander's new contract. You never did answer why he wants so much? Way more than an equal player like Ehlers

How am i supposed to answer that?? Lol....

 

[Pi]

Probably more so then you do? Very few RFA signing go to 3 days before the NHL season kicks off.

Johnny Gaudreau. Same agent. Signed October 10th.

Nylander has no leverage. He would have a shit ton of leverage if he played on a team that couldn't score goals. On the Leafs? No leverage. They'll score 3+ goals without him.

He's a really important player heading into the playoffs but the Leafs can afford to wait this out because even if he missed a quarter of the season, the Leafs will still make the playoffs comfortably. I am okay with him missing all of October and November if it saves us $$. He'll be signed as soon as he takes charge and tells his agents he wants to play right away.

 

[flamesforcup]

5 years x 8 million

Signed on Nov. 8

Nylander gets his way

that would be brutal for Toronto no way they agree to that

 

[vivalavili]

Pastrnak signed for 6.66 for 6 years.

Lets say that Nylander signs for 7 or 8 years, it still wouldn't go over 7M. There is no way he's getting a penny more than 7M on a 7 or 8 year deal. If he signs a 6 year deal, it'll be a little more than Pastrnak to account for the rising cap.

Yeah Pastrnak was a steal but it doesn't mean that Nylander will also be a steal

 

[780il]

7 years x 7.5 million book it

 

[flamesforcup]

Unless that winger is Drouin and there is a conditional 1st round draft pick on there Leafs say hell no.

Drouin + Petry + conditional 1st (if Habs make playoffs in 2019 if not, they get an unprotected 2020 first) for Nylander..

Still not sure I do it but that is closer to the value it would take.

lol Drouin alone is worth more than Nylander. Holy shit

 

[Bill Berg]

At no point did anyone in the leafs organization say this. Brian Burke said it.

Now we know how rumors start.

I heard Burke was going to sign him and trade him back to the Leafs for his old job.

 

[rent free]

lol Drouin alone is worth more than Nylander. Holy ****

riddle me this. how is he worth more?

 

[Menzinger]

lol Drouin alone is worth more than Nylander. Holy ****

Nylander is better than Drouin by any tangible metric you can mention.

It’s not even debatable.

 

[PhiladelphiaKessel]

lol Drouin alone is worth more than Nylander. Holy ****

Until he proves it, he really isn’t

 

[shortfuze]

Yeah Pastrnak was a steal but it doesn't mean that Nylander will also be a steal

Why was it a steal? He set the new bar for what 70 point players should get paid. Just because he came Just under a point a game player doesn’t mean his contract is now a steal.

 

[shortfuze]

lol Drouin alone is worth more than Nylander. Holy ****

We got a comedian in the room. And not a good one at that.