Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by Talisman, Oct 18, 2018.
nylander and gardiner to car
pesce and faulk to tor
Take out Gardiner and you might have a deal.
Gardiner for Faulk is a wash other than Faulk having an extra year. I wouldn't do Nylander for Pesce personally
Faulk>>Gardiner considering term
I doubt Carolina would be inclined to give up two of their RHD.
It'd be nice if people would check handedness before proposing trades.
Tbf the canes don’t seem to care that much about handedness they are playing 4RHD .
Either Pesce 1-1 works for Nylander or it doesn’t, not much else to say.
If Dubas is a sucker, I’d be more than happy to add a significant piece to Faulk, outside of Necas, Svechnikov or a 2019 1st. But I doubt Dubas is a sucker, so there’s that.
Because offhand TVR >> Hadyn Fleury, and trading a good depth player for a 3rd round pick because he doesn't fit well right now is shortsighted.
Both for Nyl? LOL
Just do Nylander for Pesce+Fleury.. Pesce is good, and will be the missing link for the Leafs to be true contenders.
Rielly - Pesce
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey
Fleury and Liljgeran can come up next season when Gardiner walks.
Aho - Nylander - Teravainen
Foegele - J.Staal - Williams
Ferland - Necas - Svechnikov
McGinn - Rask - Zykov/Martinook
Slavin - Hamilton
de Haan - Faulk
Bean/Carrick - van Riemsdyk
nylander <Pesce do to contract
faulk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gardiner the blackhole
No. That's awful for the Canes.
1.) Returning a defenseman, any defenseman, is a deal-breaker.
2.) Would rather have Pesce than Nylander. Pesce is a building block asset...Willie ain't.
3.) Even the difference between Pesce and Gardiner is substantially-more than the + on Faulk in a Nylander trade.
If something occurs between the Canes and Leafs, it'll probably either be completely unrelated to Nylander or be solid +s on Faulk for Nylander.
Point number two makes no sense. William is just as much as building block as pesce. And no, there will be no faulk + for william. Its pesce straight up or bust and i'd rather just keep him still. Also this current proposal is bad. That I grant you.
one rhd not both is to be moved
Can't deal both Pesce and Faulk FFS
last 2 seasons
gardiner: 95 pts, +33
Faulk: 68pts, -44
but faulk>> gardiner because he has 1 extra year before getting overpaid?
justin faulk makes gardiner look like a brick wall by comparison.
canes can keep their hard shooting no D 3rd pairing guy
I think i'm fine with Pesce for Nylander (Only if Nylander doesn't want to be here at a reasonable price - 6.5 million)
I would wait out Nylander for another month and try and persuade him to be apart of the group before pulling the trigger.
look up the definition of no d and there is a picture of jake gardiner. he is the second most overrated player in the nhl and he is only second because at least he stays healthy. (1st is tanev) Yes the canes will happily keep faulk as compared to gardiner and his soon to be free agent status. gardiner is a brick wall he stands there while opposing players go by him.
points for defense men on very offense based system compared to points for a defense men on a team that can barely score. plus minus is the worst stat in nhl history to base players ability on.
Plus minus is pretty useless but no, Gardiner didn't simply get points based on the system. He's an offensive dman and he can make brilliant passes at times. He's going to give you 30-40 points regardless of the forward group.
Wouldn't a brick wall be good defensively?
Faulk is significantly better defensively and manages to be a strong rel possession player despite playing on an elite possession team. Meanwhile the Gardiner-Zaitsev pair has been a nightmare on ice this season. Some of that has to be attributed to Zaitsev not looking NHL level, but Faulk is much better at carrying a pair than Gardiner is. To me Faulk is a solid #2 and Gardiner is a pretty good #3.
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