Proposal: Nylander for Theodore

[zeke]

Keep spreading this misinformation dude.

Ignore that Vegas' Anaheim selection was Clayton Stoner, selected because Anaheim traded Theodore to Vegas as incentive. And even if that weren't the case, Theodore wasn't on the free agent market or waived, so no, he wasn't available for free. I don't know why you keep saying that. But keep showing how much you know about Anaheim's assets.

fair enough. the huge cost for Theodore was a team that needed to reach the cap floor to take on a one year $3m contract.

 

[HanSolo]

fair enough. the huge cost for Theodore was a team that needed to reach the cap floor to take on a one year $3m contract.

Again. Wrong. Even Fox News doesn't spin shit this hard. Was Stoner useful to get to the cap floor? Of course. But Shea Theodore was by every measure Anaheim's top prospect in a tie with Brandon Montour. Anaheim chose to trade the older player because Theodore would hit RFA sooner. Without trading Theodore the Ducks would lose one of Manson, Vatanen, or Fowler. Something they absolutely didn't want to have happen. Losing Theodore wasn't an easy situation for Anaheim. It didn't have anything to do with Vegas needing to reach the cap floor. They could have done that easily by overpaying on contract extensions. It was the expansion draft rules that put Anaheim in a tough spot keeping their more established d-core intact. But had the expansion never happened, Theodore absolutely figured into their long term plans. Hence why he saw regular playoff time with Anaheim.

 

[zeke]

Again. Wrong. Even Fox News doesn't spin **** this hard. Was Stoner useful to get to the cap floor? Of course. But Shea Theodore was by every measure Anaheim's top prospect in a tie with Brandon Montour. Anaheim chose to trade the older player because Theodore would hit RFA sooner. Without trading Theodore the Ducks would lose one of Manson, Vatanen, or Fowler. Something they absolutely didn't want to have happen. Losing Theodore wasn't an easy situation for Anaheim. It didn't have anything to do with Vegas needing to reach the cap floor. They could have done that easily by overpaying on contract extensions. It was the expansion draft rules that put Anaheim in a tough spot keeping their more established d-core intact. But had the expansion never happened, Theodore absolutely figured into their long term plans. Hence why he saw regular playoff time with Anaheim.

the ducks gave up their top prospect for free?

are they morons?

 

[HanSolo]

the ducks gave up their top prospect for free?

are they morons?

I don't think Anaheim are the morons because they understood that if they didn't trade one of their top prospects then they'd lose a very good established roster player, and seeing as how they were still keeping playoffs in mind, a young roster talent trumps a prospect every time. Maybe if you can drop the desire to paint some picture that Theodore is trash, you'll be able to understand that too.

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Theodore was literally available for free last year.

Yet he would be arguably the Leafs second best defenseman. I agree that if Nylander is traded it should be for a RHD but lets not downplay Theodore's value.

 

[Exit Dose]

Someone needs to hit Ctrl+Alt+Del on Zeke. I think his system has crashed.

Honestly DJ, you shouldn't even bother arguing this point. I am certain he is the only person that believes what he's saying. Everyone understands that we moved Theodore to protect our top 4 and ditch Stoner's contract. If he wants to be petulant, let him be that by himself at the kid's table.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Yet he would be arguably the Leafs second best defenseman. I agree that if Nylander is traded it should be for a RHD but lets not downplay Theodore's value.

no he wouldn't

 

[zeke]

Yet he would be arguably the Leafs second best defenseman. I agree that if Nylander is traded it should be for a RHD but lets not downplay Theodore's value.

Theodore is a sheltered bottom pair dman with negative possession and decent offense.

the leafs have many of those.

hell, so do the marlies.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Again. Wrong. Even Fox News doesn't spin **** this hard. Was Stoner useful to get to the cap floor? Of course. But Shea Theodore was by every measure Anaheim's top prospect in a tie with Brandon Montour. Anaheim chose to trade the older player because Theodore would hit RFA sooner. Without trading Theodore the Ducks would lose one of Manson, Vatanen, or Fowler. Something they absolutely didn't want to have happen. Losing Theodore wasn't an easy situation for Anaheim. It didn't have anything to do with Vegas needing to reach the cap floor. They could have done that easily by overpaying on contract extensions. It was the expansion draft rules that put Anaheim in a tough spot keeping their more established d-core intact. But had the expansion never happened, Theodore absolutely figured into their long term plans. Hence why he saw regular playoff time with Anaheim.

If www.hfboards.com Toronto is trump, this poster you’re tangling with is Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kellyanne Conway.

This is one of the fiercest, most vigilant keyboard warriors that the www.hfboards.com leafs section has.

 

[zeke]

Someone needs to hit Ctrl+Alt+Del on Zeke. I think his system has crashed.

Honestly DJ, you shouldn't even bother arguing this point. I am certain he is the only person that believes what he's saying. Everyone understands that we moved Theodore to protect our top 4 and ditch Stoner's contract. If he wants to be petulant, let him be that by himself at the kid's table.

you guys can make all the excuses for him you want, but it doesn't change that he was given away for nothing.

 

[zeke]

I don't think Anaheim are the morons because they understood that if they didn't trade one of their top prospects then they'd lose a very good established roster player, and seeing as how they were still keeping playoffs in mind, a young roster talent trumps a prospect every time. Maybe if you can drop the desire to paint some picture that Theodore is trash, you'll be able to understand that too.

they must be morons if they sacrificed their best prospect to protect a guy they then traded for a mediocre 3rd line C.

 

[Exit Dose]

Don't feed the trolls, guys.

 

[HanSolo]

they must be morons if they sacrificed their best prospect to protect a guy they then traded for a mediocre 3rd line C.

TIL 50 points and a +11 on a poor defensive team from the third line is mediocre.

Your bias is showing way too much and you don't even seem to be aware of it.

 

[HanSolo]

If www.hfboards.com Toronto is trump, this poster you’re tangling with is Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kellyanne Conway.

This is one of the fiercest, most vigilant keyboard warriors that the www.hfboards.com leafs section has.

Someone needs to hit Ctrl+Alt+Del on Zeke. I think his system has crashed.

Honestly DJ, you shouldn't even bother arguing this point. I am certain he is the only person that believes what he's saying. Everyone understands that we moved Theodore to protect our top 4 and ditch Stoner's contract. If he wants to be petulant, let him be that by himself at the kid's table.

Eh. It's fun. It's been a slow Sunday.

 

[zeke]

TIL 50 points and a +11 on a poor defensive team from the third line is mediocre.

Your bias is showing way too much and you don't even seem to be aware of it.

points and plus minus.

I guess that tells you all you need to know.

 

[HanSolo]

points and plus minus.

I guess that tells you all you need to know.

I mean. For a third line center, 50 points is pretty big. But hey. Keep banging that gong. Maybe instead of being smug you can back up your claim and tell me why he's a mediocre player for a third liner.

 

[The Mentalist]

If Tampa can get Sergachev for Drouin then the Leafs can get a better dman than Theodore for Nylander.

 

[zeke]

I mean. For a third line center, 50 points is pretty big. But hey. Keep banging that gong. Maybe instead of being smug you can back up your claim and tell me why he's a mediocre player for a third liner.

smug? do you read your own posts?

last 2yrs, regular season and playoffs:

Henrique: 167gms, 12:34 (B- qoc), 1.37p60, 1.06p160, 47.4cf% (-1.5), 47.8xgf% (-1.6)

those numbers there says he gets slightly above average 3rd line quality of competition, is a significantly negative possession player, and produces at a 3rd line level.

 

[HanSolo]

smug? do you read your own posts?

last 2yrs, regular season and playoffs:

Henrique: 167gms, 12:34 (B- qoc), 1.37p60, 1.06p160, 47.4cf% (-1.5), 47.8xgf% (-1.6)

those numbers there says he gets slightly above average 3rd line quality of competition, is a significantly negative possession player, and produces at a 3rd line level.

Except actual production was above that of a third line player. Murray had to chase a center when Kesler got injured and Henrique was what was out there on the market. It's not like he protected Vatanen with the Henrique trade in mind. That happened a significant amount of time later.

Also including playoffs stats in a clear spanking by the Sharks is a cute touch. Just about everyone on the Ducks played poorly in that series.

 

[north49er]

Vegas has won every single preseason game without Nylander.
Vegas will get exactly what they'd need and that's not Nylander.

So have the Leafs won every preseason game without Nylander.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

smug? do you read your own posts?

last 2yrs, regular season and playoffs:

Henrique: 167gms, 12:34 (B- qoc), 1.37p60, 1.06p160, 47.4cf% (-1.5), 47.8xgf% (-1.6)

those numbers there says he gets slightly above average 3rd line quality of competition, is a significantly negative possession player, and produces at a 3rd line level.

You're a stats person right? Why not compare Theodore to Nylander instead of everything other than Theodore himself?