Nylander Discussion

[Menzinger]

fact of the matter is he wasn't good last year, hasn't been very good this year, each time we discuss how good he was on his entry level deal that becomes further and further from the present day WN, and therefore less relevant, but I could be wrong?

He had a uneven season last year for sure.

But youre absolutely wrong if youre claiming hes been bad for most of this season . He and Matthews were the teams top forwards for the first 2/3rds of the season -especially at even strength.

Hes had a couple bad games over the last few, but that suddenly doesnt erase his play earlier.

 

[rumman]

Good Willie playing with same linemates (AM and AJ) has put up 3 goals and 6 assists in 15 games. Bad Marner, now playing without his two linemates (JT and ZH) has 17 points in 15 games. Time to stop comparing Willie to Marner.

yup, Team Nylander are running out of excuses, he's playing with Mathews and getting #1 PP minutes yet still struggles, I'm sure there are some stats to refute this so I could be wrong?

 

[Hustlr]

I got a warning for making a thread with 2 words in the OP. Lucky.

 

[socko]

Good Willie playing with same linemates (AM and AJ) has put up 3 goals and 6 assists in 15 games. Bad Marner, now playing without his two linemates (JT and ZH) has 17 points in 15 games. Time to stop comparing Willie to Marner.

That time passed long ago. The only thing that they share in common is that they both abused Dubas during contract negotiations to get far more than their peers got.

 

[DarkKnight]

Why does AJ always get left out of the equation? Same points as Willie, same PP total, on the same line and defensively responsible? It’s always Matthews and Nylander were so great, for my money AJ has been every bit as good as Willie, hardly a passenger.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Good Willie playing with same linemates (AM and AJ) has put up 3 goals and 6 assists in 15 games. Bad Marner, now playing without his two linemates (JT and ZH) has 17 points in 15 games. Time to stop comparing Willie to Marner.

Literally no one has been comparing Willy to Marner for a long time now.

 

[Hustlr]

Why does AJ always get left out of the equation? Same points as Willie, same PP total, on the same line and defensively responsible? It’s always Matthews and Nylander were so great, for my money AJ has been every bit as good as Willie, hardly a passenger.

It’s clear Willy needs to put up or SHUT THE **** UP!!! He’s playing like a 3.4M player, pretty undeniable. If he can’t at least regain his rookie form we need to ship him out.

Not to mention Matthews has shown he doesn’t need him. Like at all.

 

[socko]

Drouin is the guy who I always considered Nylanders real comp, not the ludicrous Pasternak comparsions. And lo and behold.

Drouin 14gp 7g 5a 12pts

He's been better than Nylander.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Babcock 100% needs to go.

 

[rumman]

Why does AJ always get left out of the equation? Same points as Willie, same PP total, on the same line and defensively responsible? It’s always Matthews and Nylander were so great, for my money AJ has been every bit as good as Willie, hardly a passenger.

this, same as Hyman:

 

[DarkKnight]

this, same as Hyman:

With better hands, he can keep plays going and start them.

 

[Hustlr]

Babcock 100% needs to go.

I’m not with or not with you per say, just curious as to what you would tell Babs in his exit interview?

“So why are you letting me go”?

Again, on your side

 

[Fogelhund]

Nylander doesn’t even belong in the same breath as Marner. In Nylanders last 84 games he has 12 goals. He is nothing short of a joke.

Because goals are all that matters.

 

[rumman]

With better hands, he can keep plays going and start them.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd take a team of Dale Hunters over all this "elite" talent everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays.

 

[KapG]

I’m not with or not with you per say, just curious as to what you would tell Babs in his exit interview?

“So why are you letting me go”?

Again, on your side

Just show him the last few game 7s we’ve lost to Boston. That should be enough

 

[KapG]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd take a team of Dale Hunters over all this "elite" talent everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Lol....

It’s not the 90s anymore champ

 

[rumman]

I’m not with or not with you per say, just curious as to what you would tell Babs in his exit interview?

“So why are you letting me go”?

Again, on your side

the kids don't like you?

 

[rumman]

Lol....

It’s not the 90s anymore champ

sadly, your correct.

 

[Hustlr]

the kids don't like you?

So you gonna have the kids come in and tell him so? Doesn’t seem like a fireable offence imo.

 

[DarkKnight]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd take a team of Dale Hunters over all this "elite" talent everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Hunter had lots of skill.

 

[Hustlr]

Just show him the last few game 7s we’ve lost to Boston. That should be enough

Lol! Few... sad, but true.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

there is simply no excuse for a player who plays as well as Mathews does to also play as badly as Mathews does.
And I don't think he's even scratched the surface of how good he could really be.

I am starting to really think that the reason they don't go full out all the time is that they never get rewarded. Think about it, you try your hardest in the D-zone for the first couple of years with Babs...and you get nothing extra..no extra PP time...no extra 5-5 time...just nothing. So if you think you are busting your ass...and the coach doesn't see/respect your effort...they start to think "What's the point?" and go around on cruise control.

We know that Willy and AM can play much better in all zones...but they seem to have stopped for some reason. Either its the reward thing I just mentioned or they feel his system is just plain stupid and doesn't work for them. Either way, it's not going to go away when JT and Hyman come back for AM and Willy. I think they are just playing well enough not to have the finger pointed at them for being the reason the team is crap...but badly enough that everyone will question the coach and get him fired eventually.

You never really saw Babs make excuses before this season when it came to schedule or injuries...this year he seems to have quite the laundry list of why they haven't been up to snuff. He realizes the team has had enough.

 

[rumman]

Hunter had lots of skill.

and heart.

 

[Menzinger]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd take a team of Dale Hunters over all this "elite" talent everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Id suggest thats how a fairly sizeable portion of the fanbase always views the team. Hence why the most skilled guys tend to always get the bulk of criticisms no matter ehich era of the Leafs we talk about.

The vitriol thrown at Kessel probably a classic example of that attitude

 

[KapG]

sadly, your correct.

90s hockey was great! It’s changed though, speed and skill trump all these days.

A team of dale hunters would get slaughtered regularly in this new NHL

 

[rumman]

I am starting to really think that the reason they don't go full out all the time is that they never get rewarded. Think about it, you try your hardest in the D-zone for the first couple of years with Babs...and you get nothing extra..no extra PP time...no extra 5-5 time...just nothing. So if you think you are busting your ass...and the coach doesn't see/respect your effort...they start to think "What's the point?" and go around on cruise control.

We know that Willy and AM can play much better in all zones...but they seem to have stopped for some reason. Either its the reward thing I just mentioned or they feel his system is just plain stupid and doesn't work for them. Either way, it's not going to go away when JT and Hyman come back for AM and Willy. I think they are just playing well enough not to have the finger pointed at them for being the reason the team is crap...but badly enough that everyone will question the coach and get him fired eventually.

You never really saw Babs make excuses before this season when it came to schedule or injuries...this year he seems to have quite the laundry list of why they haven't been up to snuff. He realizes the team has had enough.

I have millions of reasons to disagree with this opinion...............