Speculation: Nylander contract talk Part II - (All Nylander talk here)

[member 290103]

Quoting because you're to slow!!!

Kinda like your blue line, son.

 

[Liferleafer]

Kinda like your blue line, son.

Well, some posters here think we should move Nylander for Tanev...i watched the Oilers/Nucks game last night....ugh.

 

[Drytoast]

Just to chime in here, the Leafs are not blameless in how salaries have shot up for mediocre guys either.

The day they paid Phaneuf was the beginning of the end of sensible contracts. Kessel coming off an RFA deal too for that matter.

I’m sure there were some head scratchers before them, but I remember those ones vividly thinking thanks a bunch you idiots

Sure. We had bad management back then.

 

[Cotton]

Cotton upset? You looking for a like from a Leaf poster with three capital letters in his name?

Group hug!

Don’t worry he will be signed so enough.

A little annoyed maybe, you should know better after all, not really upset.

Pushing a false narrative, several times now, in multiple threads with not an iota of evidence to support it? Right, enough.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

anything below 7 would qualify as a win for the Leafs, not Nylander and his agent.

Comparables from same draft:

Signings from this summer and only 1 year ago.

Ehlers at 6 Signed last fall 29 goal, 64 point player
Larkin at 6.1 Signed This fall proven 63 point player
Pasta at 6.66 Signed last Summer proven 35 goal 80 point player

Nylander at this point is a 61 point player.

Using these 3 as examples, if Nylander is making close to 7M. How is this a win for the Leafs?

 

[member 290103]

Well, some posters here think we should move Nylander for Tanev...i watched the Oilers/Nucks game last night....ugh.

Well, with a small add, he could be had. Not straight up.

 

[Liferleafer]

Well, with a small add, he could be had. Not straight up.

Lol...you better act fast, Tanev's next injury is just around the corner.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Comparables from same draft:

Signings from this summer and only 1 year ago.

Ehlers at 6 Signed last fall 29 goal, 64 point player
Larkin at 6.1 Signed This fall proven 63 point player
Pasta at 6.66 Signed last Summer proven 35 goal 80 point player

Nylander at this point is a 61 point player.

Using these 3 as examples, if Nylander is making close to 7M. How is this a win for the Leafs?

Because they will have locked up a sure-fire 80+ point player for years to come, for what that costs at this point in time?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Lol...you better act fast, Tanev's next injury is just around the corner.

in haste to get out of Vancouver Tanev pulled a hammy on the way to the airport. Would be the 1st headline after a Tanev trade lol

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Because they will have locked up a sure-fire 80+ point player for years to come, for what that costs at this point in time?

That may or may not be the case. Any of the other 3 comparables I cited may be sure fire 80 point players. The point is the poster I replied to said it would be a sure fire win if Nylander signs close to 7M per year. Looking at the list I provided as contrast, if Nylander does sign close to 7M per, it looks like Detroit, Winnigeg, and the Bruins are bigger winners.

 

[powerstuck]

That's honestly his value.

His agent and himself have to face comparable and the reality that they bring.

I'm honestly curious to know, what would your opinion be, given it's about Leafs and one of their players, and you being a fan of the team...if let's say market value for a Nylander type player was 7.5/8 and Leafs were offering what they are today (rumored/suspected 6).

 

[Morbo]

Comparables from same draft:

Signings from only 1 year ago.

Ehlers at 6 Signed last fall 29 goal, 64 point player
Larkin at 6.1 Signed This fall proven 63 point player

proven 63 point player...?

Pasta at 6.66 Signed last Summer proven 35 goal 80 point player

Nylander at this point is a 61 point player.

Using these 3 as examples, if Nylander is making close to 7M. How is this a win for the Leafs?

because the cap continues to rise, because he is giving up UFA years on a long term deal, and because it would be considerably less than in 3 years after the expiry of a bridge.

also it is a lot less than what some in the media and many hopeful HFBoards posters claim he is asking for.

 

[Byron Bitz]

If I’m Dubas I dont offer Nylander a dime over 6 million, if his camp doesn’t like it then he can go ahead and sit out regular season games. We’re deep enough that it won’t hurt us too much. Each game he misses will cost him around 40 000 dollars.

 

[bluedevil58]

Need to unload him to Carolina.

 

[Liferleafer]

If I’m Dubas I dont offer Nylander a dime over 6 million, if his camp doesn’t like it then he can go ahead and sit out regular season games. We’re deep enough that it won’t hurt us too much. Each game he misses will cost him around 40 000 dollars.

I would do 6.5 long term...a little less than Pasta as he is a little less proven.

 

[Liferleafer]

Need to unload him to Carolina.

Sure, when does Slavin get here?

 

[Confucius]

I would agree that would really be the right response, "go ahead make the offer". But at that point they lose the negotiation leverage with Nylander and with the trade leverage with the other team.

At this point most of us are working under the assumption that the Leafs don't want to sign Nylander for 5yrs x 8m.

Does any team think he is worth 8?

 

[Liferleafer]

Does any team think he is worth 8?

That's my continued question....i keep reading about 8 million dollar offersheets, well, for a GM to do that....he needs to believe he is worth it.

 

[Confucius]

I assume you realize I am mocking the notion that the quoted poster's hypothetical threat would have any sway over an intelligent manager's decision?

Nope but thanks for letting me in on it. Ya just got to spell it out for us old geezers...

 

[Isaac Nootin]

To the [mod] using Ehlers, Larkin and Pasta as comparables. How many years did they sign for? Now what if Nylander signs for 8? Get it yet?

 

[wc17]

Comparables from same draft:

Signings from this summer and only 1 year ago.

Ehlers at 6 Signed last fall 29 goal, 64 point player
Larkin at 6.1 Signed This fall proven 63 point player
Pasta at 6.66 Signed last Summer proven 35 goal 80 point player

Nylander at this point is a 61 point player.

Using these 3 as examples, if Nylander is making close to 7M. How is this a win for the Leafs?

The only way it would be a win is if they got the 8th year in at $7 million AAV.

I cant see Dubas standing firm at whatever offer he has on the table and buckling with an AAV that high. Its gotta be a 6-7 year deal at around 6.5 million.

 

[FerrisRox]

I think his baby face looks kinda fools people into assuming he's slight.

He's six foot and under 200 pounds, for a hockey player, that is kinda slight.

 

[FerrisRox]

I expect something to happen here by next week. Either they keep him or trade him. Can't see this dragging into the regular season.

What a bold prediction.

 

[Advanced stats]

Well, with a small add, he could be had. Not straight up.

In a Nylander for tanev trade, the add to tanev would have to be more valuable than Tanev himself.

 

[trellaine201]

Time to trade him to Anaheim