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NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and NHL Enterprises president Ed Horne each told Slap Shots this week that ESPN has refused to accept commercial advertising from the league. It's always interesting when bullies - we're not referring to individuals, but rather entities - collide, isn't it?
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I found out they block affiliates from running UFC Ads too. Geeze I guess we see "the world wide leader" afraid someone watching the poker thing might wonder if a real sport might be somewhere else.
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ESPN has a beef with the NHL for some unknown reason.
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No, it is not for "some unknown reason"- it is quite clear and easy to understand- they hate the sport and don't have the time of day for it because it is not football which is their be all end all moneymaker. Quite simple. Listen to ESPN radio for even a short while and you hear the same thing. One commentator even said ESPN was not in the charity nonprofit business and in effect only cared about getting money from the sports that made them money- pure and simple. It is going to be a LONG time before ESPN gives hockey any sort of respect.
 
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puck57 said:
One commentator even said ESPN was not in the charity nonprofit business and in effect only cared about getting money from the sports that made them money- pure and simple. It is going to be a LONG time before ESPN gives hockey any sort of respect.
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This is ESPN's M.O, they heavily promote sports they carry (poker, spelling bee's, womens college sports, etc) and ignore sports they don't (NHL, boxing, others).

This is part of their bargaining power. You make a deal with ESPN, your sport gets exposure, your sport gets promoted and advertised. You get a long segment on Sportscenter and a half hour show on ESPN2.

I hope the NHL goes back to ESPN when this deal with OLN/VS is over. They need the exposure and access to a larger audience more than they need the cash.
 
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dafoomie said:
This is ESPN's M.O, they heavily promote sports they carry (poker, spelling bee's, womens college sports, etc) and ignore sports they don't (NHL, boxing, others).

This is part of their bargaining power. You make a deal with ESPN, your sport gets exposure, your sport gets promoted and advertised. You get a long segment on Sportscenter and a half hour show on ESPN2.

I hope the NHL goes back to ESPN when this deal with OLN/VS is over. They need the exposure and access to a larger audience more than they need the cash.
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Then how do you explain the NHL on ESPN before it went to VS.? It was never promoted outside a five second what's coming up next spot on sportscenter.
 
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jkrdevil said:
Then how do you explain the NHL on ESPN before it went to VS.? It was never promoted outside a five second what's coming up next spot on sportscenter.
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They did promote hockey. It got a lot more attention on Sportscenter and their other programming than it does now.

When ESPN pays a rights fee, they have every intention of making a profit. They know they need to make at least a certain amount of money, and they'll advertise and have Sportscenter segments as much as they have to, in order to get the ratings they need to make money.

Comcast knew they probably would not profit from this deal, they wanted to use the NHL, along with the NFL and MLB (who they failed to make deals with) to make a new sports network. They're not doing real well right now. They don't have the ability to promote a sport that ESPN does.
 

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They did promote hockey. It got a lot more attention on Sportscenter and their other programming than it does now.

When ESPN pays a rights fee, they have every intention of making a profit. They know they need to make at least a certain amount of money, and they'll advertise and have Sportscenter segments as much as they have to, in order to get the ratings they need to make money.

Comcast knew they probably would not profit from this deal, they wanted to use the NHL, along with the NFL and MLB (who they failed to make deals with) to make a new sports network. They're not doing real well right now. They don't have the ability to promote a sport that ESPN does.
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I'm sorry but the NHL was still a doormatt at that network even when they were paying for it. IMO the NHL gains nothing by moving back to them besides a few extra minutes on SC. I believe in Versus and their treatment of the sport -- growth does not happen overnight. I also believe they will land another big sport as this thing moves forward.

If you want to watch a real sports highlight show minus all of the BS fluff and egomaniacs tune into the Final Score on FSN -- they are doing it the right way.
 

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No, it is not for "some unknown reason"- it is quite clear and easy to understand- they hate the sport and don't have the time of day for it because it is not football which is their be all end all moneymaker. Quite simple. Listen to ESPN radio for even a short while and you hear the same thing. One commentator even said ESPN was not in the charity nonprofit business and in effect only cared about getting money from the sports that made them money- pure and simple. It is going to be a LONG time before ESPN gives hockey any sort of respect.
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They would love the sport if it made money. They don't hate it for the sake of hating it, they hate it because it doesn't make enough sense (read: $$$) in the USA. Even if they saw the potential, they would invest in the NHL... ESPN and Mr. Bettman have conflicting views on where the potential will lead.
 
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dafoomie said:
....Comcast knew they probably would not profit from this deal, they wanted to use the NHL, along with the NFL and MLB (who they failed to make deals with) to make a new sports network. They're not doing real well right now. They don't have the ability to promote a sport that ESPN does.
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Is there anything other sports property for V/S to go after? Is anything up soon?
If V/S were to get another sport, then it's availabitly will increase even further.
 
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ESPN? Who watches that channel anyway? I've been out of high school a long time now. And I can think above a third grade level too.
 
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I'm sorry but the NHL was still a doormatt at that network even when they were paying for it. IMO the NHL gains nothing by moving back to them besides a few extra minutes on SC. I believe in Versus and their treatment of the sport -- growth does not happen overnight. I also believe they will land another big sport as this thing moves forward.

If you want to watch a real sports highlight show minus all of the BS fluff and egomaniacs tune into the Final Score on FSN -- they are doing it the right way.
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Would FSN be a possible suitor for the NHL? They carry alot of regional games already, adding some national games to that could make for a VERY useful package for both FSN and the NHL. Rogers Sportsnet (a similar idea to FSN) used to have national NHL rights in Canada, yet I havn't heard of FSN trying to get them. Could that change?
 

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Would FSN be a possible suitor for the NHL? They carry alot of regional games already, adding some national games to that could make for a VERY useful package for both FSN and the NHL. Rogers Sportsnet (a similar idea to FSN) used to have national NHL rights in Canada, yet I havn't heard of FSN trying to get them. Could that change?
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They have done well with "the best damn sport show" and could do well with other shows like Final Score. Just takes a lot to get through the clutter.
 

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Versus would do themselves very well to try to get UFC from spike or bring in PRIDE and add additional programing to support hockey, like a 'nhl tonight' type show. College hockey would be amazing but not likely to help draw in new sport fans. bull riding isnt my cup of tea but it does have a place on vs just not so regularly

they need to get away from the crap shows they have now, reruns of survior, grilling showdown, and if they insist on showing sports movies they need to get a more impressive library. youngblood was a terrible movie! I refuse to turn on VS anytime before 7 or on the weekends because i know there is nothing remotely entertaining on. fishing shows are only played during the afternoon on espn, there is a reason.
 
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"world wide leader in sports" HA!

Unless poker is a sport now. I swear if I see another world series of poker championship i'm going to scream. Here in NY 1050 espn radio which claims to be the "home of the Rangers" hardly ever does games anymore, its always the Knicks or just random football talk. How can you program an entire day around football and basketball,especially when all the shows talk about the same stuff :banghead: , I say F ESPN.
 

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A couple of weeks ago, Colin Cowherd was talking to a reported that covered the Atlanta Falcons, after he answered all of colin's questions, he asked when Colin was going to ask him about the Trashers. Colin's reply was NEVER
 
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Matt said:
A couple of weeks ago, Colin Cowherd was talking to a reported that covered the Atlanta Falcons, after he answered all of colin's questions, he asked when Colin was going to ask him about the Trashers. Colin's reply was NEVER
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Well, Coward is the biggest idiot in the bunch.
 

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Matt said:
A couple of weeks ago, Colin Cowherd was talking to a reported that covered the Atlanta Falcons, after he answered all of colin's questions, he asked when Colin was going to ask him about the Trashers. Colin's reply was NEVER
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Was the Atlanta reporter seriously in the mood to talk about the Thrashers or sarcastically suggesting he ask about them?
 
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