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We can, but it alarms me that we won't.Can we just keep Nuge please?
We can, but it alarms me that we won't.Can we just keep Nuge please?
Sorry for not thoroughly reading your essays..I stated, if you read it thoroughly, that I was invoking the CHIA perspective and specifically stating this is how Chia would see it. Sorry if that wasn't more clear.
Nuge is obviously more talented than Strome. Has had more career consistency, but if we drop Nuge to 3rd line there isn't as much difference as just using Strome there. That part is something I feel.
Really to stay on this club Nuge HAS to pass the Connor audition with flying colors and I think he knows it. His contract isn't attractive here in a 3rd line capacity.
Paajarvi+2nd for Perron.When was the last time the Oilers traded FOR a Nuge/Eberle/Hall level talent?
If we could put together a couple trades like the ones we’ve been on the other end of we’d probably be a top team.
For now I’d settle for us not trading away our few talented players for underwhelming returns. Can we just keep Nuge please?
Right, it'll be for Karlsson.Trade's not happening. Bruch Garrioch whose very close with Dorion said no talks of Nuge for Hoffman have taken place and won't be either. On Inside Sports Reid Wilkins said same last night. Said Oilers aren't interested in downgrading Nuge for Hoffman.
I don't see Nuge for Hoffman. It's gonna be Klefbom for Hoffman.
I love make believe.
No idea how anyone think RNH > Hoffman.
It’s not like RNH is some defensive stalwart. Just because they try to make him be that, doesn’t make him it. It’s one of the reasons the team isn’t good.
Toss in RNH history of injuries, even just a stat watcher can see Hoffman is a much bigger contributor.
Good, glad to hear they are not entertaining downgrading from C depth to add a W, even if it is a Hoffman type shooter. Still don't understand what Dorion is looking at on the roster however... odd to have a primary scout with eyes on the games during this stretch of the season, playing out the string.Trade's not happening. Bruch Garrioch whose very close with Dorion said no talks of Nuge for Hoffman have taken place and won't be either. On Inside Sports Reid Wilkins said same last night. Said Oilers aren't interested in downgrading Nuge for Hoffman.
Draisaitl and McDavid work in good part because Draisaitl is supremely talented and can think the game like McDavid does. But also because Draisaitl can protect the puck incredibly well which typically draws extra attention to him freeing up McDavid. If you try to focus too much on McDavid Leon can beat you in many ways. Hoffman is a very different kind of player. He is much more of a third wheel whose primary skill is his shot. But he is not at the level of the elite goals scores.
I don't see it as flexibility to force a situation where you have to play Leon away from McDavid because you have no one else who can play in that slot. That is the opposite of flexibility.
You also seem to be arguing against yourself here. On one hand you say that it does not matter who plays the wing with these guys but then you say that you need a guy like Hoffman so that Leon does not have to play RW when his wingers fail him. Which is it?
havent seen him but in the past 3 games OTT has scored 15 goals and Ryan came out of them pointless despite play 16min\gameLucic for Ryan, anyone? Haven't seen him play, would we want this?
look at any criteria and RNH is better than Hoffman this year..Depends on what criteria you're using. If we're talking goal scoring Hoffman is obviously better than RNH. But then so was Eberle who was traded for significantly less return than the one we're discussing here. But RNH is clearly the more versatile player, he's also younger and under contract for longer. So it's not just about comparing stat lines, it's looking at the bigger picture.
Depends on what criteria you're using. If we're talking goal scoring Hoffman is obviously better than RNH. But then so was Eberle who was traded for significantly less return than the one we're discussing here. But RNH is clearly the more versatile player, he's also younger and under contract for longer. So it's not just about comparing stat lines, it's looking at the bigger picture.
look at any criteria and RNH is better than Hoffman this year..
Hoffman averages over 3mins\game on PP and does not kill penalties at all. RNH plays 1:47\game on PP and 1:41\g on PK.
Hoffman has played 130 more minutes on the PP than RNH this year and only has 21 goals in 70 games.. RNH has 19 in 52 GP... Hoffman isnt even the better goal scorer this year.
I didnt say a single IF in the post you quoted. RNH HAS 19 goals this season despite missing 20 games. Hoffman does have only 21 goals despite getting prime offensive opportunities. These are facts not 'but\ifs'.This logic is just amazing. The "if" logic. IF he had those chances he would be better than isn't exactly a rock solid argument.
Otherwise you can cite every 4th liner doesn't get x time so they are better than x player. That's amazing rationalization there. Well done.
This logic is just amazing. The "if" logic. IF he had those chances he would be better than isn't exactly a rock solid argument.
Otherwise you can cite every 4th liner doesn't get x time so they are better than x player. That's amazing rationalization there. Well done.
Depends on what criteria you're using. If we're talking goal scoring Hoffman is obviously better than RNH. But then so was Eberle who was traded for significantly less return than the one we're discussing here. But RNH is clearly the more versatile player, he's also younger and under contract for longer. So it's not just about comparing stat lines, it's looking at the bigger picture.
I didnt say a single IF in the post you quoted. RNH HAS 19 goals this season despite missing 20 games. Hoffman does have only 21 goals despite getting prime offensive opportunities. These are facts not 'but\ifs'.
whatever...If you knew what context meant then what he is saying makes perfect sense.
Lucic for Ryan, anyone? Haven't seen him play, would we want this?
Lucic for Ryan, anyone? Haven't seen him play, would we want this?
How us he more versitile? Just because he's been put in a shutdown role, doesn't make him a shutdown player. It's probably one reason the Oil sit in where they do in the standings. I mean, if it was working, they wouldn't be better than 6th worst in the NHL for goals against?
i mean, if you're talking about him being able to play center or winger.. that maybe equals out to a couple goals, but not remotely the point total they have separating them. Heck, that could be offset by RNH injures
Contract and age certainly add value, but let's not pretend Hoffman is ancient.
^^Fourier is much closer on his evaluation than the above post. Hoffman is not a line driver and he is not the type of player that carries the puck into the zone and sets up teammates or himself for scoring chances. He is an amazing sniper and one that gets himself into position to get his amazing one timer off. That is why he has worked so amazing with Duchene. Hoffman is also a great shoot out option.
His weaknesses though are his defensive play and his inability to drive a line by himself. You appear to be a Sens fan and your fans have made similar comments in the past.
Could he work with McDavid sure. But why downgrade from C for a W when the whole league is looking for C depth. I don’t have a Problem moving Nuge but it better be for an upgrade on D.
Now if we are moving Nuge++ for Karlsson then absolutely. For Hoffman f that