topshelf15
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I really love the new look of most of their lineup.Much more than when their flagship sedan, looked like a pimped CamryI'd still take the Lexus.
I really love the new look of most of their lineup.Much more than when their flagship sedan, looked like a pimped CamryI'd still take the Lexus.
Not really. Turris wasn't coming back next season... which means even if Duchene walks, they paid a 1st, Bowers and a 3rd (although that was more to get rid of Hammond then anything) to get 1.8 years of Duchene. Teams have paid a lot more than that for rentals that lasted a lot less time then the 19 months that they'll have Duchene for.
... Your math is off. See, they actually did trade Turris to Nashville for Girard, a second and Kamenev. You must count these three assets as a part of the price Senators paid for Duchene, as well. You can't just "well he was gonna walk anyway" it because you did get these assets in return for him.Not really. Turris wasn't coming back next season... which means even if Duchene walks, they paid a 1st, Bowers and a 3rd (although that was more to get rid of Hammond then anything) to get 1.8 years of Duchene. Teams have paid a lot more than that for rentals that lasted a lot less time then the 19 months that they'll have Duchene for.
Yep we gave up a boatload of futures,and that was a price we were willing to pay.We got the player we wanted ,at the term we were most comfortable with.Now most other teams may not have gone with such a large package.And that is fine ,but in the end what is bolded is all that matters to our management staff.... Your math is off. See, they actually did trade Turris to Nashville for Girard, a second and Kamenev. You must count these three assets as a part of the price Senators paid for Duchene, as well. You can't just "well he was gonna walk anyway" it because you did get these assets in return for him.
Yes, it's on paper a three-way trade, but in reality we first had a Nashville-Senators trade and then a second trade immediately after between Senators and Avalanche.
... Your math is off. See, they actually did trade Turris to Nashville for Girard, a second and Kamenev. You must count these three assets as a part of the price Senators paid for Duchene, as well. You can't just "well he was gonna walk anyway" it because you did get these assets in return for him.
Yes, it's on paper a three-way trade, but in reality we first had a Nashville-Senators trade and then a second trade immediately after between Senators and Avalanche.
... Your math is off. See, they actually did trade Turris to Nashville for Girard, a second and Kamenev. You must count these three assets as a part of the price Senators paid for Duchene, as well. You can't just "well he was gonna walk anyway" it because you did get these assets in return for him.
Yes, it's on paper a three-way trade, but in reality we first had a Nashville-Senators trade and then a second trade immediately after between Senators and Avalanche.
No, my math is pretty accurate. And no you do not count those assets, because Ottawa was never going to see those. Ottawa was not going to trade Turris for futures. Which means his 'value' with regards to what futures he could have fetched is basically meaningless.
The 3rd was for taking on Hammond's salary. Its the two firsts that are linked to Duchene.Context matters.
Ottawa wasn't going to go to trade Turris after making it to the ECF last season unless they had a replacement player, that player being Duchene. Turris to Nashville only happens if Duchene to Ottawa happens.
The trade was basically an upgrade at center who is signed for an extra year for 1st + Bowers + 3rd. If Duchene wasn't available, Ottawa would've just kept Turris and let him walk during free agency.
No... his value wasn’t meaningless. His inclusion in this trade is the only reason you got Duchene. You can’t just pretend you didn’t give up a 50+ point center here, even if he was only sticking around for the remainder of the year.
Gotta disagree with you here. If Otttawa never planned to trade Turris, those assets would have never come to fruition without this trade. You can't just solely look at the trade.
In the ROR trade, it was ROR + McGinn for Zadarov + Grigorenko + Compher + 31st. However, Sakic traded for Soderberg a day before to take ROR's spot, and evaluated the whole transaction as:
ROR + McGinn + 6th for Zadarov + Grigorenko + Compher + 31st + Soderberg.
Yep whatever was given to COL ,from NSH .Had nothing to do with usThink of it this way.
First, Ottawa and Colorado traded.
Then, Colorado and Nashville traded.
The sens moved Turris, Bowers, 1st and a 3rd for Duchene.
Think of it this way.
First, Ottawa and Colorado traded.
Then, Colorado and Nashville traded.
The sens moved Turris, Bowers, 1st and a 3rd for Duchene.
Yep whatever was given to COL ,from NSH .Had nothing to do with us
Bingo...We paid a good price,but its one that we had to pay in the end.You guys did well ,we are happy ,and NSH is happyThat's the literal trade. But Ottawa never would have gotten those assets from Turris unless a replacement was included in the trade. From Ottawa's perspective, it was either:
1 year of Turris
2018 1st
2018 3rd
Hammond
or
2 years of Duchene.
There wasn't a third option of just trading Turris.
We gave you a package of Turris our 1st,3rd and Hammond.After that anything else was done by you guys,you could have resigned Turris if you wanted.But u decided to flip him ,we just did the dirty work thats allWell that's the thing with a 3 way. The trade could go either direction.
Ottawa trades Turris to Nashville for their package.
Then Ottawa adds it's own pieces to trade for Duchene.
Nashville traded their 3 pieces for Turris.
Ottawa, in reality, traded the entire package Colorado got (all 7 pieces) for Duchene.
It doesn't matter which direction you go in.We gave you a package of Turris our 1st,3rd and Hammond.After that anything else was done by you guys,you could have resigned Turris if you wanted.But u decided to flip him ,we just did the dirty work thats all
We gave you 4 pieces ,that you turned into 3 more.......LOLIt doesn't matter which direction you go in.
It's all the same in the end.
Whether you look at it that Colorado traded Turris afterwards or Ottawa traded Turris beforehand, the end result is the same.
I prefer to look at it that Ottawa traded the entire 7 piece package for Duchene, but in the end, it's all the same.
Sure, that's your POV, but not mine.We gave you 4 pieces ,that you turned into 3 more
Bingo....Sure, that's your POV, but not mine.
Both are correct.
Gotta disagree with you here. If Otttawa never planned to trade Turris, those assets would have never come to fruition without this trade. You can't just solely look at the trade.
In the ROR trade, it was ROR + McGinn for Zadarov + Grigorenko + Compher + 31st. However, Sakic traded for Soderberg a day before to take ROR's spot, and evaluated the whole transaction as:
ROR + McGinn + 6th for Zadarov + Grigorenko + Compher + 31st + Soderberg.
Gotta disagree with you here. If Otttawa never planned to trade Turris, those assets would have never come to fruition without this trade. You can't just solely look at the trade.
This.
I have a watch that is appraised at 9k (gift from my elderly grandfather). But unless it gets stolen (insurance) or I sell it, all I have is a watch. The fact that it's 'worth' 9k is meaningless. Eventually this watch will be passed down to someone else in my family. At no point in time do I ever have that 9k...
It's the same with Turris. Ottawa wasn't going to trade him for futures, because if they did they would have killed their season, and potentially hindered their chances at re-signing Karlsson. Which means while he has that value... it's meaningless, because they never would have seen it.
Yeah, we call him Dutchy. Duche or Dooch doesn’t sound good lol.