Blue Jays Discussion: Now is the winter of our (probable) discontent

[SeaOfBlue]

It's a little different for the Jays. Since the Jays are not over the luxury tax, and they don't receive revenue sharing, they lose their second highest pick and $500,000 from their international pool. Personally I'm not to worried with losing a second round pick when getting someone like Cain. Their is a small chance it's someone like Bichette but it could also be someone like J.B Woodman.

Hey Woodman became Diaz and that could turn into something pretty magical too

It depends on the money I guess. If he costs money and assets, it better be a pretty sweetheart deal. Nothing worse than having an overpaid contract than knowing you gave up good assets to get it as well.

I would also still explore other options because I do not think the Jays need an uber expensive OF on a 4 year deal when a moderately priced one on a one or two year deal is much more feasible. I still think 5SP and a better lefty out of the bullpen than Loup are more important than making that last OF spot a competition between talented kids and Carrera/Pearce. It would obviously still be nice to get all of that done, but I do not think Cain really allows that.

Dyson or Gonzalez or Gomez would make more sense IMO. Or even better, someone who could play OF and spot the middle infield when necessary, like Harrison (assuming the price is reasonable).

 

[The Nemesis]

The ISO averaged ~.241 (.238/.253/.228) from 14-16, before he went super saiyan in 2017. The BABIP shouldn't be an issue given the low GB% and GB/FB.

But what does the scouter say about his power level?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

But what does the scouter say about his power level?

 

[Anthrax442]

I think I am okay with not trading any top or good or even "okay" prospects for now. They can always do that once the team's core is turned over.

 

[TF97]

Big pass for me on Carlos Gonzalez, especially with the contract he’s expected to get. Outside of Coors Field, he’s nothing more than an average platoon bat. There are better options out there.

 

[Dr.Funk]

I like Lorenzo Cain on the field but the stories about how bad of shape his legs are in have me scared.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[The Nemesis]

Aww, I set you up perfectly for an its over 9000 joke....



Though honestly I prefer TFS' DBZ Abridged version of that scene

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Do the guys taken in the MiLB Rule 5 Draft need to stay in Buffalo, or can they go elsewhere?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Do the guys taken in the MiLB Rule 5 Draft need to stay in Buffalo, or can they go elsewhere?

According to MLB.com, a team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player.

Once a player is selected, he is automatically assigned to his new organization's 40-man roster.

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FAQ

What happens when a player is selected in the Rule 5 Draft?

A team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player.

Once a player is selected, he is automatically assigned to his new organization's 40-man roster.

Can any Minor League player be drafted?

No. Players who were signed when they were 19 or older and have played in professional baseball for four years are eligible, as are players who were signed at 18 and have played for five years.

All players on a Major League Baseball team's 40-man roster, regardless of other eligibility factors, are "protected" and ineligible for the Rule 5 Draft.

Can players selected in the Rule 5 Draft be traded?

Teams may trade a player selected in the Rule 5 Draft, but the same rules regarding roster placement apply to the player's new team.

Are there different phases to the Rule 5 Draft?

Yes. There are also Triple-A and Double-A phases to the Rule 5 Draft. Players put on the Triple-A reserve list cost the selecting team $12,000, and players put on the Double-A reserve list cost the selecting team $4,000.

 

[The Nemesis]

Do the guys taken in the MiLB Rule 5 Draft need to stay in Buffalo, or can they go elsewhere?

I think they have to stay at the level they're drafted at, kinda like the MLB portion picks can't be sent to the minors without offering them back to the original team.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I think they have to stay at the level they're drafted at, kinda like the MLB portion picks can't be sent to the minors without offering them back to the original team.

Pretty sure there are no restrictions for the minor league phase

Ask BA: How Do The Minor League Phases Of The Rule 5 Draft Work? | BaseballAmerica.com

In the Triple-A phase of the Rule 5 draft, teams may select any eligible player left off the major league 40-man roster or the Triple-A reserve roster of 38 players. In the Double-A phase of the draft, teams may select any eligible player left off the major league roster, the Triple-A reserve roster or the Double-A reserve roster of 37 players. In other words, a player selected in the Triple-A phase does not rank among his organization’s top 78 talents, and a Double-A selection does not rank among its top 115. In these cases, players are not required to remain on a particular roster. The player’s contract is irrevocably assigned to the drafting team and the drafting fee ($12,000 for Triple-A, $4,000 for Double-A) is paid

 

[The Nemesis]

Pretty sure there are no restrictions for the minor league phase

Ask BA: How Do The Minor League Phases Of The Rule 5 Draft Work? | BaseballAmerica.com

Where there we go. I was mostly speculating and working off barely-remembered info and a boatload of assumptions. So entirely expected that I was wrong.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Speaking in general terms, Atkins said the Blue Jays were pleased with the volume of trade talks at Disney’s Swan and Dolphin Hotel.

“There was a lot of discussion in and around our opportunities with other teams,” he said.

That’s where the Blue Jays’ pitching depth could intersect with the club’s off-season decision making. Not only are the Blue Jays’ middle relievers effective, they’re affordable to all 30 teams. Ryan Tepera and Danny Barnes aren’t yet arbitration eligible while Dominic Leone shouldn’t cost more than $2 million in his first trip through the arb process. By way of contrast, the going rate for capable bullpen arms has been $14-18 million over two years. In that context, it’s no wonder the Blue Jays have been asked about their relievers. Those talks could create momentum this off-season, even though the Blue Jays haven’t heard an offer to their liking just yet.

It’d be a surprise if Biagini’s name hasn’t come up as well given his successful 2016 season, flashes of promise in 2017, MLB minimum salary and remaining options. That said, he’s appealing to the Blue Jays for those same reasons. Biagini’s now their fifth starter, so they couldn’t deal him unless they were confident that a deal for a suitable replacement existed.

One way or another, the Blue Jays’ willingness to deal pitching off of their MLB roster could help them in a developing middle-infield market. Now that Ian Kinsler’s in Anaheim, there’s one less team in the mix for infielders, which could help the Blue Jays and Mets, two of the more active teams involved. (By the way, the Blue Jays aren’t believed to have pursued Kinsler seriously, although he was on their radar.)

The Brewers’ Jonathan Villar remains available in trade talks, as does Freddy Galvis of the Phillies. If the Blue Jays were to aim higher they could pursue Philadelphia’s Cesar Hernandez, but he’ll be much tougher to acquire given that he’s an impact player with three years of control remaining. Jurickson Profar, while interesting on paper, doesn’t appear to be a likely fit in Toronto. There’s still plenty of depth, though, with Josh Harrison, Starlin Castro, Jason Kipnis, Yangervis Solarte and Chris Owings among the other trade candidates in play across MLB.

Of course that’s just one of many needs for a Blue Jays front office also seeking outfield and pitching help, and moving pitching depth would be just one way to entice rival teams. For example, Atkins has also pointed to Toronto’s controllable outfield depth on multiple occasions.

 

[The Nemesis]

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