Not saying we're going to win the cup next year but...

4thline

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Three straight seasons of declining regular season points percentage? Check
Fire the coach? Check
Miss the playoffs? Check*
Have another team use your lottery pick in the low teens because of a cap shedding deal the summer prior? Check
Didn't have a first rounder last year because of a trade for an impact player that re-signed? Check

Pretty bleak right?

This is the Blue's circa June 2018


Now, it didn't just happen for them.
At the deadline they moved a fairly high end C rather than re-signing him to recoup futures

then in the off-season they made a major splash, dealing yet more futures plus to middle of the roster players in a cap in cap out deal for a team complexion changing impact player

Two trades.
 

ruaware41

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Blues had won playoff rounds with their core and were always regarded as a team built for the playoffs with good will, grit, and skill who just crumbled under pressure. The only similarity between the two teams prior to their cup run is the last 4 words of the previous sentence.
 

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Mugzy97

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Leafs need right handed defensemen who can play hockey. With Barrie and Ceci likely leaving, our top 6 looks even worse than ever. Dubas has lots of work to do.
 

4thline

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Blues had won playoff rounds with their core and were always regarded as a team built for the playoffs with good will, grit, and skill who just crumbled under pressure. The only similarity between the two teams prior to their cup run is the last 4 words of the previous sentence.

Well, that an literally everything I just said. Three years trending in the wrong direction. Missed the playoffs (and actually sold at the deadline the year before in anticipation of missing then squeaked in). Got a legendary HOF hard ass coach fired. Watched another team draft in the top 15 with their pick from a deal used to clear cap space.

The tantrums on this board would be no less epic than the ones we're seeing now, and a decent number of Blues fans on these boards were to that point as well.
 
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ToneDog

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Three straight seasons of declining regular season points percentage? Check
Fire the coach? Check
Miss the playoffs? Check*
Have another team use your lottery pick in the low teens because of a cap shedding deal the summer prior? Check
Didn't have a first rounder last year because of a trade for an impact player that re-signed? Check

Pretty bleak right?

This is the Blue's circa June 2018


Now, it didn't just happen for them.
At the deadline they moved a fairly high end C rather than re-signing him to recoup futures

then in the off-season they made a major splash, dealing yet more futures plus to middle of the roster players in a cap in cap out deal for a team complexion changing impact player

Two trades.

They also called up a goalie who has balls of steel.
 

ToneDog

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Last season it was, the Blues were in last place Jan 1 and went on to win the cup. We on the other hand just lost to a team than has virtually zero offence and shut out Dubas' high octane offence in 2 games and it would would have shut us out in game #4 if the Jackets did not implode in the last 4 minutes.
 
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WTFMAN99

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Blues have a significantly better defensive core

The Blues have gone far deeper in the playoffs prior to the Stanley Cup win.

The Blues have grit.

The Leafs are nowhere close. You're looking at missed playoffs / 1st round exit.
 
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SeaOfBlue

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I don't think it is perfectly parallel. Blues had a lot of the pieces in place but lacked the goalie to take them places. Before Binnington came out of nowhere, they were likely going down the same road once again. Getting a waiver-fodder player to be your MVP in your one glaring hole is the epitome of good luck.

However, results-wise, it is similar.
 

thewave

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The 2019 Blues have become the patron saint to garbage teams everywhere

The Blues were built much like our beloved Raptors. They play quality hockey most every night for decade. My number 2 team and I was happy to see Bozak win.
 

4thline

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I don't think it is perfectly parallel. Blues had a lot of the pieces in place but lacked the goalie to take them places. Before Binnington came out of nowhere, they were likely going down the same road once again. Getting a waiver-fodder player to be your MVP in your one glaring hole is the epitome of good luck.

However, results-wise, it is similar.

No parallel is perfect. And the title of the thread is literally "don't expect the same outcome", but was looking at past draft results saw the origin of the Farabee pick and realized just how many of Dubas' supposed capital crimes had been committed by a cup winning GM in the two years immediately prior to winning the cup.
 
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Arthur Morgan

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Blues are overall better and have had more success in the playoffs with their current core prior to winning a cup.
They also won a series before running into alot of those issues. we are far and beyond from being compared to the St. Louis Blues.
 

SeaOfBlue

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Blues have a significantly better defensive core

The Blues have gone far deeper in the playoffs prior to the Stanley Cup win.

The Blues have grit.

The Leafs are nowhere close. You're looking at missed playoffs / 1st round exit.

They had a 4 year rebuild, then won one playoff series in 4 years, then made the conference finals, made the semis, missed the playoffs, and was at the bottom of the NHL until Binnington came out of nowhere and took them all the way.

12 years and one seriously lucky event was what it took for them to win a cup.

Leafs fans would have chewed Armstrong out long before they won. Guaranteed.
 
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WTFMAN99

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They had a 4 year rebuild, then won one playoff series in 4 years, then made the conference finals, made the semis, missed the playoffs, and was at the bottom of the NHL until Binnington came out of nowhere and took them all the way.

12 years and one seriously lucky event was what it took for them to win a cup.

Leafs fans would have chewed Armstrong out long before they won. Guarantee.

The Blues problem was readily apparent for everyone, at least it was for me. The play style and great defensive play was already in place thanks to Hitchcock.

The centre ice position and goaltending were the achilles heel to me.

The ROR addition was fantastic but not enough to overcome Allen IMO. Binnington arriving as a legit starting goaltender answered their prayers. Brian Elliott and Jake Allen were always costing them.
 
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tmlms13

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Blues had won playoff rounds with their core and were always regarded as a team built for the playoffs with good will, grit, and skill who just crumbled under pressure. The only similarity between the two teams prior to their cup run is the last 4 words of the previous sentence.

Blues also had 6 defenseman that would be at worst the 3rd best on the Leafs.
 

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