Post-Game Talk: Not Cup Champs from Detroit @ Cup Champs in DC 7:30PM
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TRASHCAT
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The team is a whole lot better than the one he scored 65 with. Maybe they can push him to 50-60
I am suprised that we have the opoosite to championship blues. Ovi is having the strongest pre new year season for a long time. Not sure he will crack the 60ties this year, but 55+ goals, the Maurice Richard and maybe 100 points are definatly on the cards.
Also looks like everyone is having fun out there, limited off nights. I hope they can keep it up unless unexpected injuries happen, no need to act at the deadline.
Also looks like everyone is having fun out there, limited off nights. I hope they can keep it up unless unexpected injuries happen, no need to act at the deadline.
maacoshark
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No it isnt. Corsi is shots toward the goal stat. Corsi stats are too related to your role of the team. A lot of defensively specialists have poor corsi because they are on the ice in defensive situations.
It basically is measuring shot attempts but it doesnt tell you what kind of shot attempts. You have a great corsi throughout a season just by throwing useless shots towards the net.
It is by far the most inaccurate stat in hockey.
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aonb
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just another 50 for OV + rocket for sure and i'll be the happiest guy on earth. no way he can score 65+ though.
be ashamed, young people, 33 y.o guy still beats the crap out of you
be ashamed, young people, 33 y.o guy still beats the crap out of you
maacoshark
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The biggest problem with corsi is that you can have a great corsi without your line ever scoring a goal. A player can have a bad goal differential and still have a very good corsi.
The goal differential is a lot more important than the quantity of shot attempts differential.
Corsi is a joke.
HTFN
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More important to the team, but not evaluating the player. You literally just outlined how a player can luck into erroneous plus or minus, so using something more frequently occurring and consistent is a no-brainer.
maacoshark
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No I didnt. I'm saying a player can have a high corsi but still be a mediocre player at both ends if the ice. Corsi doesnt tell you who is a good offensive player or a good defensive player. It tells you who throws shots towards the goal. It doesnt tell you if any of those shots are hitting the back of the net.
How bad is corsi? I didnt look up stats in last nights game but I am pretty sure Detroit had a pretty good advantage in corsi over us. Yet the final score was 6-2 for us. You cantvreally even use goaltending as an excuse for this because Holtby really wasn't any better than the Wings goaltenders. He didnt really face a lot of high quality scoring scoring chances. It is very common for a team to dominate corsi and get blown out on the scoreboard. This stat is a joke.
At least with plus/minus stat, if you win the plus/minus battle then you will win the majority of those games. Specialty teams do come into play.
Not sure how I can explain this any better. You can win the corsi battle and it doesnt really make your chances of winning the game higher. But win the plus/ minus against your opponent and you win most nights.
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That's why I really didn't mind the loss to the Ducks even though it was terrible. You can't win every game, so a loss like that in the regular season can help come playoff time
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HTFN
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Jesus. Didn't read anything I wrote, practically afraid of learning. How about on most given nights any player with a 0 in +/- tells you next to nothing? I don't know who you talk to on a daily basis who uses Corsi as the penultimate statistic for evaluating a hockey player, but nobody here is arguing for that. In fact, I specifically said that using it to compare players across the league is silly and basic, lacking all appropriate context. No, I would not say that Corsi is, by itself, a Player Efficiency Rating. But if I have two or three players on my team competing for roster spots, I'd sooner look there than plus friggin' minus.
As usual, you're arguing against statistics in a vacuum when nobody uses them that way but you. The stat is a joke because your ability to interpret it is questionable.Maybe the Wings did have better Corsi, I'm not inclined to look either, but that's also a thing that can happen when only one team has anything to play for in the third period. To top it off, Capitals shooters had a few lucky bounces and Detroit's first goaltender was swimming. That sure sounds like a recipe for a Corsi-negative win to me.
maacoshark
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OK tell me what you find valuable about corsi. I dont see anything that reflects how good a player or team is.
HTFN
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I just said. It's a good supplemental statistic for sifting through players on lower roster spots (within the same team, or at least comparable systems). When your eye tells you Jaskin is more valuable than Boyd, but Boyd's stats tell you he's better than Jaskin, you might want to use something like Corsi to see who tips the ice more when points aren't going up on the board. Is Boyd playing well on the wing but only treading water at center? Corsi can help with that. Are certain players boom/bust, or do they consistently move the needle in the right direction?
Additionally (and again, largely in one team/system) juggled line combinations over the year and players' Corsi with/without other players can be a good way to figure out who is actually stirring the drink and who is along for the ride, and better shore up a 3rd/4th line going towards the playoffs.
As usual, because this is still hockey and not baseball, stats are supplemental reading to help you quantify parts of the eye test. They don't dictate anything outright and you still have to read and interpret them. It's not a plug and chug, comprehensive player rating tool, it's just a loose way of understanding which direction the action tends to be pointed in.
txpd
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May I say....I like our team.
I had this same thought last night, I really like this team. The depth is amazing, and the parts, with a few minor exceptions, all fit together very well.
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Take us out and Metro's goal differential is -47 combined. Penguins the only other + (6) team and that's largely due to them stomping the Flames 9-1.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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Devil Dancer
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Oh no, it's the Southleast all over again!
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CapitalsCupReality
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nah.....we're not that far removed.
The 2nd round, The Great Barrier (think Star Trek) is still perilous to breach!
Hivemind
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If one of the big 3 in the Altantic falls to the wild card, look out...
Also, the Penguins
Until they make the playoffs then it's a whole new season. Even the Blackhawks lost stinkers during their peak. I remember a specific loss to the Oilers similar to that score.
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I don’t see why Boston is any less desirable a matchup than Buffalo so I guess I just see a big 2
Ovechkins Wodka
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If we win the metro I think we would be looking at a matchup vs the sabers or Boston. I think I would rather face the young untested sabers
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