Boston Globe No ice rink for teens who discovered TD Garden's shirking of fundraising duties
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Maybe next year.
Unreal how JJ got away with that, but totally believable.
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I can't read the article, but I can tell you first hand that it doesn't cost 50mil to build a hockey rink....
I'm an architect and designed a rink for a private HS.... it's really nice rink (and I've been playing and coaching hockey for 45 years, and been in A LOT of rinks!.... this is a nice rink!)
Cost about 7 million.... could we have spent a couple million more? Sure - there are always more bells and whistles you can add... but "only 17 million" will buy you one hell of a hockey rink
I'm an architect and designed a rink for a private HS.... it's really nice rink (and I've been playing and coaching hockey for 45 years, and been in A LOT of rinks!.... this is a nice rink!)
Cost about 7 million.... could we have spent a couple million more? Sure - there are always more bells and whistles you can add... but "only 17 million" will buy you one hell of a hockey rink
Yeah but Vandelay industries has about $43M in administration costs.
Pretty obvious what happened
The land is now too valuable to simply have a recreation facility for the neighborhood.
In an interview Wednesday, Jones said the committed donations of $17 million are not enough. A reassessment of costs for the project put building costs alone at $30 million. A total accounting of the project could be closer to $50 million, she said. That’s not including the costs of operating the center, at levels the community can afford.
Jones said that Urban Edge board members assessed the challenges, as well as the organization’s core mission of developing housing, and decided to pull back from the recreational center.
There are no new development plans yet for the land, across from Jackson Square. Urban Edge has hired a new CEO, Emilio Dorcely, who will take over in September, and could look at ways to develop the property while incorporating some sort of programming for area youth.
“We have basically said we’re going to push pause on the development at the site right now,” Jones said.
The land is now too valuable to simply have a recreation facility for the neighborhood.
In an interview Wednesday, Jones said the committed donations of $17 million are not enough. A reassessment of costs for the project put building costs alone at $30 million. A total accounting of the project could be closer to $50 million, she said. That’s not including the costs of operating the center, at levels the community can afford.
Jones said that Urban Edge board members assessed the challenges, as well as the organization’s core mission of developing housing, and decided to pull back from the recreational center.
There are no new development plans yet for the land, across from Jackson Square. Urban Edge has hired a new CEO, Emilio Dorcely, who will take over in September, and could look at ways to develop the property while incorporating some sort of programming for area youth.
“We have basically said we’re going to push pause on the development at the site right now,” Jones said.
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The cost of land in that area is huge and when you add in their lofty design plus the costs to run and the place, I can see why the cost ballooned and the project was scrapped.
That part of JP/Roxbury is going through major gentrification and large developers are gobbling up land to put in mixed use spaces at an alarming rate. I've seen it happen down the orange line in the Forest Hills area and I've seen it creeping into Roslindale and Hyde Park.
You can get more than $500k for a small house or condo in that area now. I live a bit further from that neighborhood but apartments are easily over $2,200 a month and houses are in the high 400's.
City officials see dollar signs and are easily persuaded by the promise of multiple low income apartments in each new building being constructed. Because of this, large suburban developers are getting board approval with ease while the city continues to make the approval process more difficult for private citizens and smaller groups from within the city limits.
In Forest Hills, they built an obnoxious and obscenely priced condo building over a huge lot that serviced commuters and the court house. When asked about how they would deal with the impacted commuters, the developer said that they could drive to a suburban commuter rail station like Dedham to park each day.
I feel bad for these kids and I hope they are able to figure out how to get a recreation center in the neighborhood because they deserve one and need one.
This isn't his fault the project fell through.
You want to blame someone, go visit the guy at City Hall.
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He didn't live up to the original deal. Maybe had he done that, the kids would already have the rink already.
FYI, even if they had that money, the land wouldn't likely be there.
Yes, JJ shouldn't have gone back on the original deal but even if he hadn't they wouldn't have enough funds for the project unless they moved it well outside of the neighborhood.
What is going on in the city is an absolute abomination.
I hope these kids can get the ear of the mayoral candidates who make this project a part of their platform. At this point, this is their only hope unless an anonymous benefactor steps up.
The city failed these kids not JJ.
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Don't ever forget what a slimy scumbag he is. Out of sight should not be out of mind with Monty Burns.
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JJ most likely never even knew there was a deal brokered by his then Boston front man Larry Moulter with disgraced Boston politician the late Kevin Fitzgerald.
Keep in mind Jacobs has already paid the $17 million to the Commonwealth - but what has the state done with the money?
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You’d think they could at least build something more permanent/year round on the Kelly rink site - which is right near there.
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Or perhaps, I don't know, read up about the whole thing to actually know what is going on before opining on it?
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Except JJ actually gave his pledged amount, it's the city that's sitting on his 17 million.
Once again, it goes with out saying (but I will anyway): Fire Fire Sweeney.
Hell, if that's the criteria for posting on this board, the site would average less than 10 posts TOTAL a week.
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I actually whomever the contractor that said can’t be done for less than 50 is the culprit here. Curious who hired that guy or girl
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