Confirmed Trade: [NJD/BUF] Wayne Simmonds (50% retained) for cond. 2021 5th round pick

[Yatzhee]

Someone has to finish 3rd in the Atlantic.

Sabres last 10, 6-3-1, 20 games remaining at that pace 12-6-2 for 92 points.

Toronto's last 10 pace 4-5-1. 19 games remaining at 4-5-1 pace is 8-10-1, finishing with 89 points.

Florida Panthers are also in free fall. L10 of 3-7-0, less realistic to expect them to continue to pace that horribly, so lets give them Leafs pace, 20 games remaining 8-10-2 finish with 88 points.

It's not likely that the Leafs or Panthers continue to be this bad, and it's not likely that Buffalo keeps up their good pace either. It's not like the Sabres need to go 20-0-0 to and the Leafs/Panthers to go 0-20-0 to sneak in.

Edit: I don't see how acquiring Simmonds helps the Sabres pull this off though.

2011, the Buffalo Sabres go 16-4-4 to streak in to the playoffs. Is possible, it's very possible. And as for Toronto, having defense helps, they don't have it and didn't address it. Florida, they are the question mark, we'll see.
As for Simmonds, it's a solid add and actually addresses a Sabres need, net front presence, and Simmonds brings it.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Why did Simmonds lose all the trade value? What happened?

he is a very bad hockey player the past two seasons.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

he is a very bad hockey player the past two seasons.

24 points, 128 hits it isn't that bad.

 

[serp]

24 points, 128 hits it isn't that bad.

Watch him play. He is bad now. Doesn't matter if he gets points. He is a net negative

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

He is better then Frolik and Vesey that is all that matters. We finally have a player with jam and I am happy. A f***ing 5th rounder oh no!

 

[Emperoreddy]

Watch him play. He is bad now. Doesn't matter if he gets points. He is a net negative

he is also painfully allergic to actual goal scoring. He can’t play defense.

I legit couldn’t watch him fail at scoring at sure thing goals anymore. I couldn’t do it. I am glad he is gone.

 

[Pens x]

Weird move by a non playoff team

 

[CambieKev]

I analyzed Wayne Simmonds' current contributions and style of play in a recent match against the Washington Capitals. The piece includes footage of Simmonds' performance. I invite Sabres fans to familiarize themselves with what to expect.

Examining if Wayne Simmonds Would Help the Vancouver Canucks

 

[Panthaz89]

I analyzed Wayne Simmonds' current contributions and style of play in a recent match against the Washington Capitals. The piece includes footage of Simmonds' performance. I invite Sabres fans to familiarize themselves with what to expect.

Examining if Wayne Simmonds Would Help the Vancouver Canucks

that piano music is something....

 

[Vitto79]

Holy his value has gone down

 

[Bronson]

I analyzed Wayne Simmonds' current contributions and style of play in a recent match against the Washington Capitals. The piece includes footage of Simmonds' performance. I invite Sabres fans to familiarize themselves with what to expect.

Examining if Wayne Simmonds Would Help the Vancouver Canucks

So soothing to see someone lose the puck/balance again and again to Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben, BWV 147 on piano.

 

[TBF1972]

This makes no sense, unless Boterill is trying to tank.

The Kings were bad with Simmonds, but got much, much better after they moved him
The Flyers were good before Simmonds, and were really bad with him. (those two might have had something to do with who went the other way)
Nashville was good before Simmonds, bad when he got there
NJ was always bad, but they at least thought they'd get better, but didn't
When the Sabres drop, then we'll know why

Correlation is not equal causation.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

He is better then Frolik and Vesey that is all that matters. We finally have a player with jam and I am happy. A f*cking 5th rounder oh no!

Just the fact that we finally have a player that will make the other team accountable when players take liberties with Jack and Dahlin makes it worth it

 

[Hasekperreault23]

Weird move by a non playoff team

Not really.6 points out and a net presence on PP.Also will make teams accountable when teams take liberties at Jack.For a 5th? Iam fine with it

 

[Chainshot]

I don’t think the “we will feel better that someone had to fight after injuring our star player” is really the thrust of this trade.

 

[Ralonzo]

Seriously WTF is he doing?

He's buying! Next round's on JB!



In any event, even Current Year's version of Simmonds is something that Sabres really don't have in the lineup besides Lazar, someone who will drag semi-interested teammates into the game.

 

[Tripod]

Simmonds net front presence on the PP...was the one thing that declined that I never expected. I thought he would always have that similar to like Mike Knuble who only lost his his last 100 games at the age of 38ish. Simmonds is 31.

Simmonds last 140 games, he has 10 PP goals

His worst season in Philly he had 11 PP goals ....lockout year paced for 11 too.

Now look at points...last 140 games 17 PP points. His worst season in Philly he had 16 points.


So now his PP goals and points are roughly HALF of what his WORST season's were in Philly. That's a big decline.

 

[explore]

I could've done without Simmonds, but Botterill moved out two NHL players, and brought two back.

Simmonds' game has fallen off a cliff and I don't expect playing in Buffalo is going to bring it back. My best case scenario is that Krueger doesn't give Simmonds the Bogosian treatment and play him in important situations over more comptent players, but he's already been penciled in on the second line for the next game, so SMDH.

 

[Royal Thunder]

We are expecting little to no offense from him, which I think is a bit different than expectations in Nashville and NJ. He brings an element of toughness that we simply do not have up front and this is a chance for him to audition up close for 20 games to see if he fits. The hope is that he can be a decent role player and an emotional leader of sorts who drags his teammates into the fight, because this team tends to get sleepy at times and could use more energy and emotion. Even in a bad year on a bad team he was having a better offensive year than the guys we shipped out so I don’t really see any downsides to this.

 

[Michoulicious]

Man, what a weird trade. Still don't get it.

Guy plays 11 mins/game on a team destined to a bottom 10 finish.

 

[TBF1972]

Man, what a weird trade. Still don't get it.

Guy plays 11 mins/game on a team destined to a bottom 10 finish.

Buffalo paid a 5th and some cash to slightly better their lottery position.

 

[1865]

24 points, 128 hits it isn't that bad.

The league leaders in hits generally only do so because their line never has the puck.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Simmonds net front presence on the PP...was the one thing that declined that I never expected. I thought he would always have that similar to like Mike Knuble who only lost his his last 100 games at the age of 38ish. Simmonds is 31.

Simmonds last 140 games, he has 10 PP goals

His worst season in Philly he had 11 PP goals ....lockout year paced for 11 too.

Now look at points...last 140 games 17 PP points. His worst season in Philly he had 16 points.


So now his PP goals and points are roughly HALF of what his WORST season's were in Philly. That's a big decline.

I don't think NJ used him much in that spot on their PP. Maybe that was because he'd lost his touch, or maybe it's still there and just not being tapped into.

 

[Tripod]

I don't think NJ used him much in that spot on their PP. Maybe that was because he'd lost his touch, or maybe it's still there and just not being tapped into.

It's not there. It declined in Philly...now here we are with Nashville, NJ and Buffalo as a sample size and Simmonds decline has been been obvious:

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