Proposal: NJ - DET draft pick swap

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  1. hidek91 Registered User

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    Hey,

    Under assumption that at #4 starts certain tier of talent that lasts until, let's say, #8-#9, I'm curious what people think about this:

    DET gets #7 overall '20, right to swap 1st round picks in '21
    NJ gets #4 overall '20

    I'm NJ fan and personally wouldn't do it (we don't really upgrade our prospect for this year and risk a lot for next year). I'm curious about the opinion of neutral fans and Detroit fans.
     
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    Does the current CBA allow to do an option to swap picks? Haven't seen it being used.
     
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    No.
     
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    Why did you propose a trade and then say you wouldn't even do it?

    Why does Detroit move down 3 spots to gamble on the Devils being worse than the Wings next year?
     
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    Because I'm curious what others think.

    To answer second question, the rationale would be, if they have some of the Perfetti/Holtz/Sanderson/Drysdale/Rossi/Raymond group in the same tier, this year swap doesn't matter. And in the next year NJ can be worse than them or win one of the lotteries.
     
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    There's no reason at all for Detroit to do this.
     
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    Detroit's not trading down 3 spots without at least the Devils 2nd round pick coming back in a deep draft. Next years draft isn't as deep so noway we'd do that deal.
     
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    If, hypothetically, Det had 4-7 all in the same tier, why wouldn't they just offer 4 to another team in the 5-8 range who would give 5-8 and a 2nd now instead of opting for a pick-swap gamble that I don't think is even legal under the CBA.
     
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    The righrs to swap picks in 2021 is ot nearly a good enough reason to trade down ( if that is even still allowed) when New Jersey's prospect bool the are significantly more likely to finish above Detroit in the standings. You will have to offer an actual piece of value to nove up to first choice in 4-7 player tier (I personally think the tier is 4-6). Maybe Arizona's 1st and a 3rd does it.

    On another note who are you even moving up to grab? At least 1 of Holtz/Perfetti should still be available at #7. Probably both. If I’m Detroit giving up both the option of getting Rossi/Raymond and likely giving them up in general is stupid. Only trade down I would consider is to #6 if Anaheim is determined to get Drysdale before OTT has the choice.
     
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    IMO, the right to swap picks next year (especially with bad team like NJ) is worth more than 2nd round pick this year. Sure, it may be useless if DET pick turns to be earlier next year but also some players selected in 2nd round become worthless if they don't make it to NHL.

    And for example, if Detroit had that option:
    - in 2017, they swap #9 for #1,
    - in 2018, they wouldn't do it,
    - in 2019, they swap #6 for #1.

    The potential very high reward is there.
     
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    Lol. Detroit isn't going to be that much better this year than they were last year.
     
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    For historical reference, Florida and Columbus made a similar swap in 2002. Columbus got the #1 pick which they used on Rick Nash, while Florida moved down to #3 and received the option to swap 1st rounders in 2003. Going into that lottery, Columbus was slotted #3 and Florida was #4 so the Panthers would have at least moved up a spot but they won the lottery with their own odds.

    In essence, Columbus gambled and ended up giving up nothing to move up in 2002 to secure Nash. Florida made the calculated gamble that Columbus would still be bad in 2002-03 so they were assuring themselves a high pick. In order to make sure they still got Jay Bouwmeester at #3, Florida gave Atlanta a third round pick to not select him. So on Florida's end, they bought the right to swap with Columbus for a third round pick.

    But it's tougher nowadays to make that sort of deal with the top 3 picks being drawn. Plus it's hard to assume that Detroit wouldn't have a preference and would be okay with moving down to 7. The Florida/Columbus trade only worked once the Panthers secured Bouwmeester. It's funny, many years later former Panthers GM Rick Dudley said that Bouwmeester is still bothered to this day that he didn't go #1 overall.

    Edit: Also at the 1998 trade deadline, San Jose GM Dean Lombardi sold the right to swap 1998 1st rounders with Tampa Bay in a trade where the Sharks added Bryan Marchment. It ended up being a fortunate deal for Tampa as the Sharks (via the Panthers pick) won the lottery and moved up to #1. Tampa then received the pick and San Jose was bumped down to #2.
     
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    I am fairly certain that Detroit has their mind set on who they are drafting at #4.

    Their is a clear cut top three in this years draft. At number 4 is where things open up and get interesting. They get the top choice of that tier and I am very positive that they have discussed who they want.
     
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    Detroit's dream scenario, Ranger take Lafreniere, LA takes Byfield, For some odd reason Dorion gets dementia and takes Lucas Raymond at #3 do you honestly think that Detroit risks losing Tim Stutzle just so New Jersey can have #4 while Detroit goes to #7 and doesn't get compensated for it. This could be a real possibility though doubtful just to big of a risk for Detroit to take.
     
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    What a fantastic trade we drop 3 spots for the ability to maybe switch spots next year when we are almost guaranteed to be the worst team in the league. By golly gee you have anymore terrific offers for us. mister?
     
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    Detroit is worse now, and will likely be worse again next year. It makes zero sense for them to take that chance. If the devils want to move up, they will have to offer something tangible.
     
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    I do that all day if I’m Detroit. To have the highest pick from 2 really bad teams is really valuable in a Draft lottery world imo.
     
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    Yeah, the Wings should totally let other teams make their pick for them for what will likely be a sub 5% chance at a favorable swap in a worse draft next year. Brilliant.
     
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    I initially read it as 7+20=4

    But ehat was posted was utter BS
     
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    This is horrendous. If Detroit finishes worse than NJ they get absolutely nothing for moving down 3 spots.

    NJ isn't giving a single thing up. Really not well thought out.
     
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    yeah I think some people are really overlooking that part

    in a hypothetical world where the Wings finished last and the Devils finished where they did this year again as well(6th last) the Wings would go from having a 18.5% chance at 1st,a 16.5% chance at 2nd,and a 14.4% chance at 3rd to a 26% chance/24.3% chance/22.4% chance respectively(and go from having a 49.4% chance at picking in the top 3 to a 72.7% chance at it)

    i'd probably take that over a 2nd as a Wings fan(although I probably wouldn't trade down from 4 to 7 for either of those things personally since I have no real interest in doing that at all)
     
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    No it isn't, Detroit blows dude, NJ has some great young pieces with the potential to drag their team into the post-season mix late in the year.

    Why does Detroit do this deal if there's even a chance that Hughes or Hischier could become a franchise guy as soon as next year and the Devils could be picking in the teens or 20's when everyone knows that Detroit is gonna be a basement team for at least a few more years. NJ has a few guys who could be big time impact players as soon as this year, Detroit has nobody, this deal makes no sense for them and even if they don't see any difference in the 4-7 guys, someone picking 5-8 will and will pay more for it than the very little you've offered.
     
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    As a Wings fan no thank you. We are definitely going to be last by 5-10 pts at least unless Stevie does more than depth signings or trades and even then we are still bottom 3 guaranteed next year.

    We had 43 games out of 72 played where we gave up 4 or 5 goals a game and 55 or so where we gave up 3 or more. That is fine if it had been 1990, but in 2020 you are going to be basement level with that. We still have most of the same roster back next year, with only a small handful of terrible players not coming back.
     
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    Absolutely we can switch picks. You give Detroit Ty Smith and the 7th overall pick and you can have the 4th overall pick.

    No? Well then f*** off cause we aren't trading the pick for nothing.
     
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    Why the hell would Detroit do this? We're still looking to be worse than the Devils next year. So, we're hedging that we might be better than them? Why would we give up 3 spots for something that is more likely than not to be a downgrade for us next year.

    Change it to 4 for 7+next year's first, no swap. or 4 and a third for 7 and next year's first. In this case, NJ would be wanting to move up so they'd be paying something tangible for it. Not a swap of picks next year.
     

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