Value of: NJ and PHI - What would you trade for Gaudreau?
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That will never happen. But for the purpose of entertaining this the Devils don’t have the pieces they are willing to give up to get Gaudreau. He’s on a great deal for the next three years so the Flames are going to be asking for a lot. While I like Monny at C, the Devils are going to be drafting Hughes more than likely having Hughes and Hischier as #1 and #2 C’s.
Philly is probably the better trade partner.
Philly is probably the better trade partner.
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It terrifies me as to what it’d cost.
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He is obviously a great player but his playoff abilities have been badly lacking .....I just know if he can ever be a solid
contributor when things get really tough....I would prefer to wait when his contract is over and perhaps get him then because obviously it would cost a lot to get him right now and of course the Flames are going to likely want young players in return.
contributor when things get really tough....I would prefer to wait when his contract is over and perhaps get him then because obviously it would cost a lot to get him right now and of course the Flames are going to likely want young players in return.
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Hall for Gaudreau makes sense for both teams and could be the modern day Heatley for Hossa trade.
Calgary will need to back themselves to re-sign Hall to an extenson, but they should be able to do that as are a playoff team.
NJ can take a cap dump as part of the deal to assist with the resigning. Either a Michael Stone or maybe James Neal. NJ can also throw in a 2nd round pick or a prospect like Mikey McLeod to balance the trade.
Calgary will need to back themselves to re-sign Hall to an extenson, but they should be able to do that as are a playoff team.
NJ can take a cap dump as part of the deal to assist with the resigning. Either a Michael Stone or maybe James Neal. NJ can also throw in a 2nd round pick or a prospect like Mikey McLeod to balance the trade.
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Not sure why NJ is trading for a center given they're about to have Hughes-Hischier as a 1-2 punch down the middle. Obviously Johnny is better than Nico right now, but Nico is much younger and cheaper and still has plenty of growing to do. Hughes has the talent to be better than Johnny, if he lives up to it of course.
NJ isn't really in the market to be making any blockbuster moves for big names, I'm guessing Ray makes another Palmieri/Johansson/Vatanen kind of move where he mobilizes some futures to take advantage of a cap strapped team. Someone like Jason Zucker or Tyler Johnson seem like good candidates.
I would also expect them to add a forward in free agency to round out the top-6 (Eberle, Skinner, Nyqvist, Ferland, Silfverberg, Connolly - some good options).
NJ isn't really in the market to be making any blockbuster moves for big names, I'm guessing Ray makes another Palmieri/Johansson/Vatanen kind of move where he mobilizes some futures to take advantage of a cap strapped team. Someone like Jason Zucker or Tyler Johnson seem like good candidates.
I would also expect them to add a forward in free agency to round out the top-6 (Eberle, Skinner, Nyqvist, Ferland, Silfverberg, Connolly - some good options).
Off-topic, but I've seen this idea come up several times among Devils fans so I'll mention it: Minnesota isn't cap strapped. We're projected to have something like $10m-$12m in cap space after extending our RFA's, without many holes to fill. We'll need to look to upgrade our goal scoring, but no one's going to be pushed out for cap reasons.
AfroThunder396
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Can you walk me through this? According to NHLnumbers Minnesota has 6.6M in cap space right now, with about ~4M coming off the books when contracts expire for Fehr, EE, Fiala, Aberg, and Prosser. That should leave you with 6 forwards under contract and about ~11M in cap space, with a pretty sizeable raise going Fiala (I'm guessing about 4.5M). What am I missing here?
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Gaudreau is a LW and not a C. So there is no issue. He would benefit any team with his incredible hands, passing skills and high IQ, but undersized.
To be effective, he needs a big C to drive through defensive schemes. Playoff hockey illustrates his lack of effectiveness. Teams tighten their defenders and focus on hitting him constantly.
NJD with Hishcer/Hughes smallish Cs would impact his effectiveness and might not be the best fit.
This is the first time I've run the numbers myself and I have it around $10m, but I'm also doing a lot of rounding up. I'm paying all the unsigned depth spots $1m and assuming that Fiala gets more than a bridge.
| Parise | 7.5 | Staal | 3.25 | Zucker | 5.5 |
| Fiala | 4 | Koivu | 5.5 | Kunin | 1 |
| Greenway | 1 | Rask | 4 | Donato | 2 |
| Foligno | 2.9 | Sturm | 1 | Brown(?) | 1 |
| Y | 1 | ||||
| Suter | 7.5 | Dumba | 6 | ||
| Brodin | 4.2 | Spurgeon | 5.2 | ||
| Seeler | 0.75 | Pateryn | 2.25 | ||
| Hunt | 1 | ||||
| Bitetto? | 1 | ||||
| Dubnyk | 4.3 | ||||
| Stalock | 0.8 | ||||
| Total cap | 72.65 | ||||
| Cap space | 10.35 |
Edit: forgot about Ennis's buyout cap hit, which is $1.2m. So still around $9m-$10m minimum, I think.
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In his offseason interview he said he wanted to retire in the area of Salem so my guess is that we could wait until his contract is up.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...y-gaudreau-would-love-play-flyers-career-ends
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...y-gaudreau-would-love-play-flyers-career-ends
SpeakingOfTheDevils
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We won't be able to agree on anything. CGY would want Hall, and NJ would want to send futures and younger, less proven players.
Wait are you serious? As much as i love gaudreau, i would do JG and Neal for hall (given we can extend him) any day of the week
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What does Calgary's management "see"? Would hope they are not prone to knee-jerk reactions.
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For Philly, I don't see anyone as really being off the table though I'd discontinue trade talks if it required us to move a defenseman such as Provorov or Sanheim. A loss of either would all but assure that we'd never do anything serious with this core.
Hmmm 2019 1st, 2020 1st, Phil Myers, and Isaac Ratcliffe?
Not sure if it's enough. Maybe a good start. Maybe too much.
Not sure if it's enough. Maybe a good start. Maybe too much.
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New Jersey gives whatever you ask.
Hall would be an easy decision - we could take on Neal's contract too in order to balance things out.
Hall would be an easy decision - we could take on Neal's contract too in order to balance things out.
CGY wouldn’t touch that. Diminish returns here. They’re in compete mode and won’t move him for young players/picks needing time to acclimate.Hmmm 2019 1st, 2020 1st, Phil Myers, and Isaac Ratcliffe?
Not sure if it's enough. Maybe a good start. Maybe too much.
It would cost us something we don’t want to give up
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This is true. But being in compete mode means they don't trade Gaudreau.
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Only thing I can think of that would make sense is Gaudreau for Hall (contingent upon re-signing) straight up.
Not sure why either team would do it though, unless they both wanted to shuffle the deck without substantially downgrading I guess.
Not sure why either team would do it though, unless they both wanted to shuffle the deck without substantially downgrading I guess.
