Almost all his points are ES. He's 3rd on the team at 23 ES points. Boeser has 28, Horvat has 25, and Miller is behind Hog with 20. Ranks right around 100th for forward ES scoring. Holds up on the eye test too - strong on his skates, good on the boards, good forechecking, there's flashes of his hands and dangles, strong motor, defensively responsible, there's lots to like.
He's already a bonafide top 6 player that's on track to become a top line player if he manages to keep developing despite Green the prospect stagnation king being the coach.
Key words being even strength scoring...The f***? “Already a bonafide top 6”
he’s ranked 242 for points per game. Top 6 scorers would be the top 186. He’s not close.
“On his way to being a top line player”.
I guess Ty Smith and Dylan Sprong are top line players too? Cuz they have the exact amount of points per game. (Which is less than half a point per game by the way)
This board is nuts.
Key words being even strength scoring...
He finished 98th in even strength points. Well within your "top 186" benchmark.
He had one less even strength point than Horvat and Miller. Boeser is the only guy on the team ahead of Hog on ES scoring by more than one point.
That is legitimate top 6 production.
Doubled Pearson's even strength production and it showed.
I bet you don't think PP points hold that much weight when you look at OEL coming in next season... in which case you'll have to explain why you're going to hold a double standard on Hog then.
People aren't taking out power play production because it doesn't count, they're doing it because Hoglander wasn't on the first unit power play and therefore a comparison of even strength production is more useful.As soon as they take power plays out of hockey, you’ll have a legitimate point. Until then … nope.
you can’t pick and choose to leave certain things out to strengthen your point. Well I guess you can but most people will see thru it. I can make an argument that Kyle Wellwood was a top 10 NHL talent if we take away everything other then shootout goals.
Connor Brown is better than McDavid if we are looking at short handed points.
People aren't taking out power play production because it doesn't count, they're doing it because Hoglander wasn't on the first unit power play and therefore a comparison of even strength production is more useful.
If he was a PP specialist wouldn’t he be on the first unit?
regardless of why, you can’t cherry pick stats and leave others out.
Playoffs?As soon as they take power plays out of hockey, you’ll have a legitimate point.
Until then … nope.
you can’t pick and choose to leave certain things out to strengthen your point. Well I guess you can but most people will see thru it. I can make an argument that Kyle Wellwood was a top 10 NHL talent if we take away everything other then shootout goals.
Connor Brown is better than McDavid if we are looking at short handed points.
Playoffs?
Even strength scoring is by far the most important skill. I'd much rather have the best ES strength team in the league with the worst PP, than have the 16th best ES team with the 16th best PP.
My opinion is that someone who can produce almost first line even strength production is a top six player. Since by definition you can't have your entire top six on PP1, and this teams PP2 unit has featured PP studs like Myers, Schmidt, Pearson and Boyd and PP2 really shouldn't get any ice time when PP1 is so potent, I think you're splitting hairs by getting worked up over his PP production.
If Miller got injured so Hog got PP1 time and thus scored a bunch more, then he'd have "top six production" according to you but there's no net benefit to the team here so who cares. It's no knock on Hogs "top 6 forward" ability to be behind 1st line forward Miller or Boeser on the totem pole for PP1 time.
But let's run with it. Since you're saying all that matters is combined production, OEL was scoring at a 40+ point pace last season, super good right? Excited to have OEL join the team? Are you anticipating he will be a nice big help to our offense this year? After all he scored 50% more points per game than the guy he's replacing, Schmidt.
I think PP production matters but I think the focus on ES production is that that's how hockey is played when the team isn't on the PP. So when we're talking about lines, we're not talking about putting together the best PP unit.
I wish there were more deep dives on forwards' ability on the PP. The ones that get the PP specialist label are goal scorers who don't do anything else well.
Glad I didn’t get a Hoglander #36 jersey last year!
Looks like Hoglander has changed his jersey number to 21. Will he catch the Loui curse?
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Pretty sure the team already debunked the 6'4" thing when they put him at 6'1" or 2" when he first signed. Although unless Hoggy is wearing high Skates he look 5'11" here instead of 5'9" which is neat for him.So can we end the debate about Podkolzin's height now? He's clearly 6'4" and Hoglander is ~6'2"