Player Discussion Nils Hoglander PART III

Best Hoglander nickname


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Johnny Canucker

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Almost all his points are ES. He's 3rd on the team at 23 ES points. Boeser has 28, Horvat has 25, and Miller is behind Hog with 20. Ranks right around 100th for forward ES scoring. Holds up on the eye test too - strong on his skates, good on the boards, good forechecking, there's flashes of his hands and dangles, strong motor, defensively responsible, there's lots to like.

He's already a bonafide top 6 player that's on track to become a top line player if he manages to keep developing despite Green the prospect stagnation king being the coach.


The f***? “Already a bonafide top 6”

he’s ranked 242 for points per game. Top 6 scorers would be the top 186. He’s not close.
“On his way to being a top line player”.

I guess Ty Smith and Dylan Sprong are top line players too? Cuz they have the exact amount of points per game. (Which is less than half a point per game by the way)


This board is nuts.
 

mriswith

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The f***? “Already a bonafide top 6”

he’s ranked 242 for points per game. Top 6 scorers would be the top 186. He’s not close.
“On his way to being a top line player”.

I guess Ty Smith and Dylan Sprong are top line players too? Cuz they have the exact amount of points per game. (Which is less than half a point per game by the way)


This board is nuts.
Key words being even strength scoring...

He finished 98th in even strength points. Well within your "top 186" benchmark.

He had one less even strength point than Horvat and Miller. Boeser is the only guy on the team ahead of Hog on ES scoring by more than one point.

That is legitimate top 6 production.

Doubled Pearson's even strength production and it showed.

I bet you don't think PP points hold that much weight when you look at OEL coming in next season... in which case you'll have to explain why you're going to hold a double standard on Hog then.
 

VanJack

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Podkolzin, Hoglander and Rathbone are key guys for the Canucks this season.

If Podkolzin can replicate the success of Hoglander; and Rathbone can be some facsimile of Quinn Hughes, the Canucks are on the way to the top tier of NHL teams. The already have the right mix in their top six forwards along with solid goaltending.

But these three kids pushing from the bottom of the lineup, can be the catalyst for a much better regular season if they all turn out to be the 'real deal'.
 

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Hoglander creates more opposition turnovers than any other player on the team (by a good margin)...That stat tells you that he is so much more a complete hockey player...He's hardwired to win those puck battles down low (not the biggest guy, but he is strong), and thats why I don't see a drop-off in his game next season.

He could have had a lot more goals last season, if his shooting was more accurate..He was constantly rifling the puck a good foot over the top of the net..Got better as the season progressed.
 
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Johnny Canucker

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Key words being even strength scoring...

He finished 98th in even strength points. Well within your "top 186" benchmark.

He had one less even strength point than Horvat and Miller. Boeser is the only guy on the team ahead of Hog on ES scoring by more than one point.

That is legitimate top 6 production.

Doubled Pearson's even strength production and it showed.

I bet you don't think PP points hold that much weight when you look at OEL coming in next season... in which case you'll have to explain why you're going to hold a double standard on Hog then.


As soon as they take power plays out of hockey, you’ll have a legitimate point. Until then … nope.

you can’t pick and choose to leave certain things out to strengthen your point. Well I guess you can but most people will see thru it. I can make an argument that Kyle Wellwood was a top 10 NHL talent if we take away everything other then shootout goals.

Connor Brown is better than McDavid if we are looking at short handed points.
 

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As soon as they take power plays out of hockey, you’ll have a legitimate point. Until then … nope.

you can’t pick and choose to leave certain things out to strengthen your point. Well I guess you can but most people will see thru it. I can make an argument that Kyle Wellwood was a top 10 NHL talent if we take away everything other then shootout goals.

Connor Brown is better than McDavid if we are looking at short handed points.
People aren't taking out power play production because it doesn't count, they're doing it because Hoglander wasn't on the first unit power play and therefore a comparison of even strength production is more useful.
 

Johnny Canucker

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People aren't taking out power play production because it doesn't count, they're doing it because Hoglander wasn't on the first unit power play and therefore a comparison of even strength production is more useful.


If he was a PP specialist wouldn’t he be on the first unit?

regardless of why, you can’t cherry pick stats and leave others out.
 

Bankerguy

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I really like him with Horvat.
I think you leave them together, specifically leave Hoglander on the right wing. He's young and he's just getting into a groove, dont mess with it. He's putting up ES points and causing turn-overs. What more can you expect for a player of his age and experience in the NHL. You need to keep a positive trend going. Hoglander and Horvat should at least start the year side-by-side.

Put Garland with Jt. Miller as a third scoring line. Two good players, they'll figure it out. Let them build chemistry. Their styles (on paper) compliment each other. Also, keeping Garland / Hoglander off the same line means you dont have two tiny forwards on the ice at the same time.

Matching up against the Canucks will be hard (road or home) for the opposition. You have Petey Boeser who will get their top pairing Dmen. Then do they send their second pair out against Horvat / Hoglander or Jt. Miller and Garland? Our coach doesn't have the ability to create match-up difficulties ... the dumby... at least when you run three scoring lines, the opposition will automatically have some tough matchup decisions to make.
 

F A N

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If he was a PP specialist wouldn’t he be on the first unit?

regardless of why, you can’t cherry pick stats and leave others out.

I think PP production matters but I think the focus on ES production is that that's how hockey is played when the team isn't on the PP. So when we're talking about lines, we're not talking about putting together the best PP unit.

I wish there were more deep dives on forwards' ability on the PP. The ones that get the PP specialist label are goal scorers who don't do anything else well.
 
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mriswith

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As soon as they take power plays out of hockey, you’ll have a legitimate point.
Playoffs?

Until then … nope.

you can’t pick and choose to leave certain things out to strengthen your point. Well I guess you can but most people will see thru it. I can make an argument that Kyle Wellwood was a top 10 NHL talent if we take away everything other then shootout goals.

Connor Brown is better than McDavid if we are looking at short handed points.

Even strength scoring is by far the most important skill. I'd much rather have the best ES strength team in the league with the worst PP, than have the 16th best ES team with the 16th best PP.

My opinion is that someone who can produce almost first line even strength production is a top six player. Since by definition you can't have your entire top six on PP1, and this teams PP2 unit has featured PP studs like Myers, Schmidt, Pearson and Boyd and PP2 really shouldn't get any ice time when PP1 is so potent, I think you're splitting hairs by getting worked up over his PP production.

If Miller got injured so Hog got PP1 time and thus scored a bunch more, then he'd have "top six production" according to you but there's no net benefit to the team here so who cares. It's no knock on Hogs "top 6 forward" ability to be behind 1st line forward Miller or Boeser on the totem pole for PP1 time.

But let's run with it. Since you're saying all that matters is combined production, OEL was scoring at a 40+ point pace last season, super good right? Excited to have OEL join the team? Are you anticipating he will be a nice big help to our offense this year? After all he scored 50% more points per game than the guy he's replacing, Schmidt.
 
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WishfulThinker

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I'm a big fan of Hoglander. Skill, tenacity, and pretty good at keeping his balance against bigger guys.

From what I've read he's pretty great with his conditioning too, which should hopefully help him stay healthy playing the style of game he does.

I'd love a high motor guy like him for every line, which we're already not too far from. Podz and Motte should be spread between line 3 and 4, JT/Hoglander for line 1 and 2. Unfortunately JT seems to be hit or miss with his motor as he seems to enter 'soft skill guy mode' for spells. Maybe they're hoping Garland can help shoulder some of the 'puck dogging' in the top 6 for him?

Anyways, Hogs is awesome and I hope we can manage to keep him happy and on decent contracts going forward.
 
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Peen

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can’t believe ppl would vote for ‘no nickname please’ instead of a name glorious like piggy
 

Johnny Canucker

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Playoffs?



Even strength scoring is by far the most important skill. I'd much rather have the best ES strength team in the league with the worst PP, than have the 16th best ES team with the 16th best PP.

My opinion is that someone who can produce almost first line even strength production is a top six player. Since by definition you can't have your entire top six on PP1, and this teams PP2 unit has featured PP studs like Myers, Schmidt, Pearson and Boyd and PP2 really shouldn't get any ice time when PP1 is so potent, I think you're splitting hairs by getting worked up over his PP production.

If Miller got injured so Hog got PP1 time and thus scored a bunch more, then he'd have "top six production" according to you but there's no net benefit to the team here so who cares. It's no knock on Hogs "top 6 forward" ability to be behind 1st line forward Miller or Boeser on the totem pole for PP1 time.

But let's run with it. Since you're saying all that matters is combined production, OEL was scoring at a 40+ point pace last season, super good right? Excited to have OEL join the team? Are you anticipating he will be a nice big help to our offense this year? After all he scored 50% more points per game than the guy he's replacing, Schmidt.


Your last paragraph , although you were being facetious , is actually correct.
 

Johnny Canucker

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I think PP production matters but I think the focus on ES production is that that's how hockey is played when the team isn't on the PP. So when we're talking about lines, we're not talking about putting together the best PP unit.

I wish there were more deep dives on forwards' ability on the PP. The ones that get the PP specialist label are goal scorers who don't do anything else well.


Reasonable , thought out. You get a W.
 
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Canucklehead94

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Looks like Hoglander has changed his jersey number to 21. Will he catch the Loui curse?

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sting101

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I like it. Hoglander and Ekman-Larsson out to improve on the last 2 Swedes wearing them
 

AppleHoneySauce

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So can we end the debate about Podkolzin's height now? He's clearly 6'4" and Hoglander is ~6'2"
Pretty sure the team already debunked the 6'4" thing when they put him at 6'1" or 2" when he first signed. Although unless Hoggy is wearing high Skates he look 5'11" here instead of 5'9" which is neat for him.
 

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