Nils Hoglander high hit (5 and a game)

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  1. Ollie Williams

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    Absolutely correct call.
     
  2. LeafGrief

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    You don't have to take a hit, but you can't defend yourself by throwing your elbows up. You still have a responsibility to protect your opponents, even when they're hitting you.
     
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    You can say whatever you want, but at IIHF tournaments it's always 5+20. It wasn't the first time, and it wasn't the last time.

    It's better this way, than NHL way, where you sometimes don't know, what penalty will you get for the same play.
     
  4. Lonny Bohonos

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    The elbow makes contact after the shoulder does.
     
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    Hoglander tried to become the hitter rather than the person being hit, got way too much head in the process. Good ejection/penalty.
     
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    Elbow, shoulder, it doesn't matter. He smoked him in the head.

    And either way, he raises his arms up considerably when he sees the hit in-coming.

    Bad hit, right call. As mentioned above, raising your arms is not how one braces for a hit, on any level of hockey.
     
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    This doesn't matter. At all. Not sure why people are debating it.
     
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    So what? He still elbowed him in the face. It doesn't really matter if the guy's visor goes into Hoglander's shoulder first if he gets elbowed in the chin a split second later.
     
  9. Lonny Bohonos

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    Hes stands tall as he see the hit coming. Then contact is made with his shoulder. Then his arm/elbow follows through.
     
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    So we pretty much agree besides the elbow? In my view it's the typical movement that happens AFTER the contact when trying to regain balance. It's clearly not an elbow at the moment of impact
     
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    Because both your prior post indicated he was going for an elbow.
     
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    2 and 10 would be better here
     
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    Elbow or shoulder really makes no difference if he hit him in the head. Which he did.
     
  14. Lonny Bohonos

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    Yet that wasnt what you were arguing in the two posts I was referring to.
     
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    He was going for an elbow, but his shoulder beat him to it. The elbow still made it though! And it doesn't really matter, since both the shoulder and the elbow hit him in the head. Points of contact one and two are to the head, I don't really see what's defensible here.
     
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    Wasnt Höglander the puck-carrier here? Everyone seems to forget about that..
     
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    He was and he just made a chip in. Looks like the russian guy was going for a hit then didnt fully commit at the last minute as Hoglander braces for the impact.
     
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    You can fault both parties here really, Sweden for not keeping his arm down, and Russia for running for an open ice hit head first. The last replay in the second OP tweet looked like the elbow hit below the face, and then it was the follow through that made it look bad. Don't think this is a 5 and a game anywhere other than IIHF play.
     
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    Oh OK then.
     
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    I think its Denisenko fault too, if you go for the hit, you go for the hit, now he seem to change his mind in the last seconds. Cant blame Höglanbder for following thru, thinking its going to be a collision
     
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    Until they don't. A Russian player just went around a guy to target his head and only got 2 and 10.
     
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    Is it because the player didn't play dead?
     
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    Likely
     
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    I don’t see any way this is not a 5+game, i’d understand the he was gracing for a impact and connecting with head if Denisenko was directly lined with him and then he accidentally made head contact, but he sticks his arm out and clips Denisenko to head with his shoulder and his elbow also was going up, i don’t think he was planning on hurting him but that’s not how you take a hit
     
  25. Lonny Bohonos

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    I think you mean thats not how you make a hit. As in the Russian playing jot committed to his hit and pulling up at the last minute.
     

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