Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by Adam Michaels, Aug 4, 2018.
They are 4th liners
Sherback is a KHLers
Ultimately I think Scherbak was pretty done with the Habs so I don't mind having lost him, but lately the obsession with our scrubbiest scrubs is out of control. Like you're complaining that we signed Plek purely for him to hit a milestone and in the process didn't retain DLR, a player so unspecatular he's currently among the least effective forwards on one of the only teams weaker than us? Or people are thinking that we need to protect guys like Peca and chaput? Nearly all of our bottom six are fine a dozen replacements, and their role can be served by countless players from all 32 organizations.
their development has been terrible. Every 1st round has been rushed to the NHL and yet they continue to repeat the move over and over. At least after 6 years they finally fired the guy that when first hired had 0 games of experience as a head coach.
He did need a lot of work especially with his lack of strength and it didn't help that he missed so much time to injury as he lost over a full year of pro hockey over his 3 years.
He did show a lot of improvement in the effort department last year, he had a mixed bag in the 5 games this year in Laval but he was sitting for over a month and was sick and did play much better when he was back from being sick.
DLR is playing over 12 minutes a night.
NHL.com - Stats
In the last month he averages 8:07 to 11:53
Jacob De La Rose
how can he average 8:07 when he's only played 2 games under 9:36. In the last month he's played 142 minutes in 12 games.
Bergevin's drafting/development history keeps getting worse.
Sorry I meant his lower was 8:07 and higher 11:53
His Ice time seems high because he played 3 games at 16-17 minutes.
in his 15 games, 4 have been under 10 minutes, 4 have been over 15 minutes and 7 have been over 10 and under 15. I haven't seen any games so I don't know why he dropped to just over 8 minutes for those 2 games but since that he's played 9:36 and 10:53 in his last 2 games. If you take his TOI after he played 18 minutes, he's been over 90 minutes in those 9 games.
Just to be clear, I'm not "accusing" Scherbak of anything. All I've written has come from others who have made these comments about Scherbak.
I would agree that the team seems to have an approach of making square pegs fit round holes and that needs to change.
The other part of the equation is not so much that most 18 year olds exhibit "flaws", it's the fact that there are certain aspects of a player's personality, habits, work ethic that should raise red flags during a thorough evaluative process that includes interviews and other tools. The Habs squandered all of their first round picks from 2009 through 2014, picks where a drafting contingent is supposedly favored statistically as having the best ROI.
I don't know if they've changed anything since 2014, however there is plenty of blame to go around. Bergevin wasn't there for the pre-2012 selections but several were retained from those years and I'm not sure MB has hired the best available amateur scouts over his tenure.
I've always maintained that there is a significant advantage for high revenue teams like the Habs to overspend on non-cap related talent and resources. There are teams out there with a lesser revenue stream, a smaller scouting contingent but who have a track record of posting a higher batting average when it comes to draft selections. Poach and overpay these scouts whenever any of them hit the market or their contracts end. If you're not staffing the best in the business, then you get the monumental fails we've seen and continue to see.
Dlo, Ouellet, Benn, Schlemko.
Keep collecting replaceable, lowest common denominator assets that always hit the market.
Now, we don't know for a fact that a 22-year old Scherbak will amount to no better than a 4th liner. However, what we do know is that none of these other bottom liners and bottom pairing types are going to be much more than they are now.
And, what we can't afford anymore, is seeing high selections let go for nothing. What happened to monitoring assets for depreciating value and moving pre-emptively before their market value is at its lowest?
Look like the same ice time as he was getting here.
Career 4th liner...at best a 3rd liner.
Our scouting needs a serious overhaul in my mind. In our glorious last playoff run, none of Bergy's additions are even in the NHL any longer. King, Martinsen and Ott. That is brutal. Now another first rounder is a flop, and waivers to boot. The scouts are awful in the West to say the least.
Even if we adopt the premise that coaches didn't take to the player and didn't believe he'd develop. Why are we cutting bait now? Could we not have relied on these oracle coaches to sell off the player a lot earlier so that we at least ended up with something rather than losing yet another first round pick for nothing?
Martinsen is in the NHL with Blackhawks but still, you're right.
I agree. He should have played 2-3 games at least.
Both our Amateur and Pro Scouting needs an audit and a proactive plan for upgrading both personnel and organizational priorities and actionable data mining.
Despite the few high level name individuals that were replaced this summer, the only changes on the Amateur procurement side were low level. And I don't remember any changes on the Pro Procurement side -- Eric Crawford continues to be there and if that's not a red flag, I don't know what is.
Yeah, keep trusting MB for a "reset" or whatever it means.
There is no explanation for how Crawford has a job, he is a joke.
DLR averaging under 10 min over last 6 games. trend is not good, what with his 15 pt pace.
Too many rushed to the NHL?
At the risk of being shadow banned for daring to disagree with you, based on actual facts. You are the same guy who moaned about every one of your minor league favs (so you could say, "I knew them when" or something?)--Tinordi, Pateryn, Hudon, Ellis, Bud Holloway (really?), and that guy who couldn't skate, er Chris Terry, the last couple years etc.--not getting "a fair chance." Please.
Why don't you go back to your "it's all Lefebvre's fault" mantra? That one was almost credible (except Scherbak was over on an 85 pt pace under Lefebvre, who allegedly couldn't develop offense, and forgetting that minor league scorers like Bud Holloway, Terry, Taorimina, etc. were completely themselves the whole time leading to the "give them a chance" refrain).
Also back in the day, Hamilton had the Eric Manlow fiasco and Calder Cup champion coach Don Lever was the one in charge. Dude went from 73 to 18 pts. They still won the cup. It happens. It repeats. There's history for it.
This. The Habs should have four scouts for every scout a team like Ottawa or Carolina has.
What about Radulov?
He was a KHLer but he's a 1st liner in the NHL.
Your kidding right ? You can't be serious ?
This needs repeating. It's nonsensical to hold onto prospects whose value is declining when the coach has made it clear they don't like them and will never trust them. We saw it over and over again from Tinordi to Beaulieu to Sherbak to Galchenyuk. Right or wrong the coach makes up his mind and then we hold onto them while their value drops and drops.
My preference is to get rid of coaches who are so rigid in their thinking. But if you're going to stick with your coach through thick and thin in a foxhole then you have to make those moves before they degrade a players/prospects value. If in year two Therrien decides Galchenyuk won't be a center at the NHL, that's when you start shopping him, not 5 years later.
When was the last time we drafted and developed a forward that put up 70+ points? Richer?
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