Nik Ehlers v RNH

[Filthy Dangles]

Who would you take going forward?

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[McVespa99]

The center that puts up more points and is better in his own end................ Rnh

 

[Taluss]

Going forward Ehlers. Currently RNH tho, for a year or 2 probably

 

[StevenF1919]

RNH is massively underrated.

 

[Regal]

RNH is only 3 years older, is currently better, and I don't expect Ehlers to improve substantially. I would take RNH

 

[TopCheese]

Pretty easily rnh

 

[Iggys Dome]

The Nyuge

 

[Peggy]

Ehlers. Still has unlocked potential
Has some of the best skates in the game
And is younger

Wouldnt mind having rnh on the jets, but I wouldnt want the jets to give ehlers up for the rnh

 

[JetsHomer]

Ehlers, puts up similar points, has elite speed, and tilts the ice more than Nuge making him better defensively.

Ehlers AINEC

 

[DashingDane]

I'll just leave this here ...

Stats taken from the RNH for Ehlers trade thread

 

[tony d]

RNH for me.

 

[North Cole]

I'll just leave this here ...



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Stats taken from the RNH for Ehlers trade thread

Interesting that Ehlers has 'much' better offensive stats but worse "Ind Exp Goal". There's also a reason he has 99th percentile QualTeammates (Excluding Helle/Talbot):

Ehlers		VS	NUGE
Laine	1354:00		Larsson	994:10
Byfuglien	1179:12		Lucic	865:07
Scheifele	1174:00		Russell	855:01
Little	1172:22		Klefbom	822:25
Morrissey	1144:13		Nurse	813:10
Wheeler	989:31		Eberle	638:27
Trouba	918:55		Benning	626:15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Next on Nuge's list is McDavid with 5:14.34 TOI together.... (included so I don't seem biased or misleading, 514TOI is not an insignificant amount)

Lastly, the fact that Nuge has 2600min played in your chart compared to Ehlers 2800min, but his highest TOI teammates (except the goalie obviously) is 400min less than Ehlers, indicates he plays with a lot more people. More linemates, worse linemates, worse goalie, and similar QOC - it's not overly surprising that his SKATR chart looks way worse. Doesn't mean Ehler's is a whole tier above like the chart is trying to show. His most common forward linemates over your time period are Lucic and Eberle, neither of whom play any kind of defense.

EDIT - your second charts have NUGE toi at 283. Is that cut off or a typo?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Ehlers AINEC

 

[The Nuge]

Nuge has nearly double the points, while being better defensively, and a center. This isn’t even remotely close

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Nuge has nearly double the points, while being better defensively, and a center. This isn’t even remotely close

Ehlers destroys RNH in all possession metrics. So not sure where better defensively is coming from. 'Double the points', well RNH also played 15 more games, has only 2 more goals and is having the best season of his career offensively. Can't argue that he is a centre though lol.

Ehlers by a slim margin.

 

[DashingDane]

Interesting that Ehlers has 'much' better offensive stats but worse "Ind Exp Goal". There's also a reason he has 99th percentile QualTeammates (Excluding Helle/Talbot):

Ehlers		VS	NUGE
Laine	1354:00		Larsson	994:10
Byfuglien	1179:12		Lucic	865:07
Scheifele	1174:00		Russell	855:01
Little	1172:22		Klefbom	822:25
Morrissey	1144:13		Nurse	813:10
Wheeler	989:31		Eberle	638:27
Trouba	918:55		Benning	626:15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Next on Nuge's list is McDavid with 5:14.34 TOI together.... (included so I don't seem biased or misleading, 514TOI is not an insignificant amount)

Lastly, the fact that Nuge has 2600min played in your chart compared to Ehlers 2800min, but his highest TOI teammates (except the goalie obviously) is 400min less than Ehlers, indicates he plays with a lot more people. More linemates, worse linemates, worse goalie, and similar QOC - it's not overly surprising that his SKATR chart looks way worse. Doesn't mean Ehler's is a whole tier above like the chart is trying to show. His most common forward linemates over your time period are Lucic and Eberle, neither of whom play any kind of defense.

EDIT - your second charts have NUGE toi at 283. Is that cut off or a typo?

Response to the bottom bold. I'm actually not sure but my guess is a typo. It Was originally posted yesterday by @Whileee.

 

[Regal]

I'll just leave this here ...



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Stats taken from the RNH for Ehlers trade thread

If your stats are telling you Ehlers and Pasta are top 5 defensive players you need to change your methods

 

[DashingDane]

If your stats are telling you Ehlers and Pasta are top 5 defensive players you need to change your methods

My stats aren't telling me anything as I don't have any The stats I posted are from Micah Blake McCurdy who talks a bit about why Pasta is on there if you read it.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

2 players I really like. I think for the next 3-4 years it’ll clearly be RNH, after that I think it’ll shift to Ehlers. Makes sense as RNH is preforming better right now, and Ehlers is 3 years younger.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Ehlers, puts up similar points, has elite speed, and tilts the ice more than Nuge making him better defensively.

Ehlers AINEC

You really live up to your name

 

[Peggy]

2 players I really like. I think for the next 3-4 years it’ll clearly be RNH, after that I think it’ll shift to Ehlers. Makes sense as RNH is preforming better right now, and Ehlers is 3 years younger.

Not performing better

One's just injured

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Not performing better

One's just injured

I am well aware unfortunately, have him in fantasy and turned down a good trade 2 days before he went on the IR.

But I do think this season, RNH has preformed better. He’s one of 3 Oilers forwards, who has impressed this year.

 

[Connor McConnor]

I'll just leave this here ...



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Stats taken from the RNH for Ehlers trade thread

Would love to see him include quality of teammates or quality of opposition in that analysis. Last time I checked Ehlers was playing on a top 3 Western Conference team the past 3 years while playing heavily sheltered minutes.

 

[Atoyot]

Would love to see him include quality of teammates or quality of opposition in that analysis. Last time I checked Ehlers was playing on a top 3 Western Conference team the past 3 years while playing heavily sheltered minutes.

It's on there, last few of the SKATR chart. Definitely hasn't been sheltered this season.

 

[Regal]

My stats aren't telling me anything as I don't have any The stats I posted are from Micah Blake McCurdy who talks a bit about why Pasta is on there if you read it.

I know they weren't yours, I was just speaking generally to those types of statistical analyses, and to how much stock to put in them for this poll. I'll check it out, but I have serious doubts there aren't issues of not being able to separate a player from his linemates/competition, or not acknowledging the type of minutes their linemates are playing without them.