Prospect Info: Nick Suzuki Part II

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Kariya was an elite skater though..

Odd, I never put him in that skating level as a Scott Niedermayer etc when he played, you think he was 'elite'? Not saying you were wrong, just never thought of him as a super fluid skater compared to others in his day.
 

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Is the Drouin vs Sergachev that bad? I mean, Sergachev did put up a lot of point last year but he was a total disaster in his own end. This year, he’s still a total disaster in his own end but the production isn’t there.

Drouin on the other hand is on pace for 70 points. So, is it really a bad trade? Might not be a win, but I don’t think it’s a loss either
No doubt Drouin is talented. However, he seemed to develop slowly both at Tampa Bay and at Montreal.

Sergachev has a booming shot and is younger than Drouin. Also, he plays at a position at which the Habs are particularly weak. Can anyone predict who will be more valuable several years from now?
 

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No doubt Drouin is talented. However, he seemed to develop slowly both at Tampa Bay and at Montreal.

Sergachev has a booming shot and is younger than Drouin. Also, he plays at a position at which the Habs are particularly weak. Can anyone predict who will be more valuable several years from now?
last year serg, this year drouin. thasts why its not an exact science.
 
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No doubt Drouin is talented. However, he seemed to develop slowly both at Tampa Bay and at Montreal.

Sergachev has a booming shot and is younger than Drouin. Also, he plays at a position at which the Habs are particularly weak. Can anyone predict who will be more valuable several years from now?

Biggest knock on Sergachev is his IQ and defensive skills. Those are hard learn if at all possible. Drouins biggest knock is intensity and consistency.

Future will tell but it’s working out for us so far.
 
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Biggest knock on Sergachev is his IQ and defensive skills. Those are hard learn if at all possible. Drouins biggest knock is intensity and consistency.

Future will tell but it’s working out for us so far.
lets not forget defensive play, next to being lazy, were Drouin biggest issues. Guess if he can learn, so Sergachev.
 

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Except Drouin isn’t a defenceman where playing defence as your position demands is kind of important.
sure, not the same true... but still, looks like how to backcheck effectively and be positionnaly sound in the def zone can be taught.
 
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Biggest knock on Sergachev is his IQ and defensive skills. Those are hard learn if at all possible. Drouins biggest knock is intensity and consistency.

Future will tell but it’s working out for us so far.

What I have learned from observing him since he got here is that Drouin's IQ is vastly under-rated. He is a very smart guy. If he stays humble and receives feedback on what he is doing, he WILL learn, a lot.
 
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Is the Drouin vs Sergachev that bad? I mean, Sergachev did put up a lot of point last year but he was a total disaster in his own end. This year, he’s still a total disaster in his own end but the production isn’t there.

Drouin on the other hand is on pace for 70 points. So, is it really a bad trade? Might not be a win, but I don’t think it’s a loss either

It's not as bad as it looked like last year but if I could undo that trade I would. We could manage to replace Drouin but have nothing behind Sergachev and it shows.
 

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sure, not the same true... but still, looks like how to backcheck effectively and be positionnaly sound in the def zone can be taught.

It’s a lot easier to make a forward backcheck than to teach a defenceman with low hockey IQ how to play defence. This is not equivalent.
 
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Drouin's IQ is vastly under-rated. He is a very smart guy. If he stays humble and receives feedback on what he is doing, he WILL learn, a lot.

Finding a player like Domi to play with him and give a consistent effort will also help Drouin and we’re seeing it play out this year. Drouin has been a lot more consistent and more often has been the one creating more for that line.
 

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It's not as bad as it looked like last year but if I could undo that trade I would. We could manage to replace Drouin but have nothing behind Sergachev and it shows.

I was one of the posters who thought that Sergachev had potential to be a Norris candidate, top 5-10 D in the league. I still think that is possible, but I think it is less likely than I originally believed. I believe that Sergachev is more likely to become a PP specialist who will always be suspect defensively, relative to his age. Chances are, by the time he is old enough to make few mistakes, he will have lost a bit of his speed and offensive dominance. Or he might take the Brent Burns route to the top, which was quite long.

I was also one of the posters who was very unimpressed with how Drouin dealt with the Lightning in his second pro year, and thought there is a very good chance he would be uncoachable. I think that is still possible in the end, but much less likely than I originally thought. Today I believe it is more likely that Drouin succeeds in Montreal as a top line forward.

To sum up, so far I have been more wrong than right, and things may still change ten more times, but today the trade looks fine to me.
 

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Finding a player like Domi to play with him and give a consistent effort will also help Drouin and we’re seeing it play out this year. Drouin has been a lot more consistent and more often has been the one creating more for that line.

I think playing with Domi and Shaw has something to do with it also. In the past, when Andrei Kostitsyn was put with Begin and a couple other players of that ilk it really transformed his game. He became really effective on a hard forcheck, delivering big hits and working harder...

I'm really high on Suzuki, his combination of talent and work ethic. I just hope his skating doesn't hold him back, in a way analagous to how Hudon's speed holds him back.
 
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I think playing with Domi and Shaw has something to do with it also. In the past, when Andrei Kostitsyn was put with Begin and a couple other players of that ilk it really transformed his game. He became really effective on a hard forcheck, delivering big hits and working harder...

I'm really high on Suzuki, his combination of talent and work ethic. I just hope his skating doesn't hold him back, in a way analagous to how Hudon's speed holds him back.

Suzuki is already a better skater than Hudon.
 

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Finding a player like Domi to play with him and give a consistent effort will also help Drouin and we’re seeing it play out this year. Drouin has been a lot more consistent and more often has been the one creating more for that line.

Well said, it’s not like Pacioretty was a shining example of consistent effort. Some people are naturally driven, others are creatures of their environment so if line mates are lazy it can rub off.
 
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Even last year Drouin had a much bigger role on the Habs than Sergachev had on his team as a 3rd pairing D-man.

Right now we are winning this trade and it’s not even close. Sergachev has lots of work to do if he wants to catch up.

Yeah but right now means nothing when you're talking about a 20 year old dmen prospects. If Pacioretty were outperforming Tatar would we be losing the trade because Suzuki can't make an NHL roster?
 

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Finding a player like Domi to play with him and give a consistent effort will also help Drouin and we’re seeing it play out this year. Drouin has been a lot more consistent and more often has been the one creating more for that line.

Right.

Hard to be a passenger when the guy centering youbis workijg his ass off every shift
 
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I was one of the posters who thought that Sergachev had potential to be a Norris candidate, top 5-10 D in the league. I still think that is possible, but I think it is less likely than I originally believed. I believe that Sergachev is more likely to become a PP specialist who will always be suspect defensively, relative to his age. Chances are, by the time he is old enough to make few mistakes, he will have lost a bit of his speed and offensive dominance. Or he might take the Brent Burns route to the top, which was quite long.

I was also one of the posters who was very unimpressed with how Drouin dealt with the Lightning in his second pro year, and thought there is a very good chance he would be uncoachable. I think that is still possible in the end, but much less likely than I originally thought. Today I believe it is more likely that Drouin succeeds in Montreal as a top line forward.

To sum up, so far I have been more wrong than right, and things may still change ten more times, but today the trade looks fine to me.
Sergachev is playing some rough minutes and a lot of them. Check out his assist videos. He’s doing very well.
 

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Yeah but right now means nothing when you're talking about a 20 year old dmen prospects. If Pacioretty were outperforming Tatar would we be losing the trade because Suzuki can't make an NHL roster?
Ok but Sergachev is looking like Beaulieu with a bit more offense. Yes he’s only 20 but if he shits the bed next season too.. hopefully for Tampa he becomes much better but right now we are winning this trade. And I wouldn’t undo it even if they added a nice piece.
 
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