Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 8

[Habs Icing]

Very hard to say right now. There will be up and down but he seems like a cerebral player who need time to adjust but ever time we've put him in a role, he took some time to adjust and then start being great. 4th line, winger, PP, center it's all the same, there was a learning curve which is good to see.

Now they have to stop playing yo-yo with him and keep him at center and give him some good wingers, good ice-time and PP time and see how things will improve.

With the news that KK is staying in Laval for awhile and with Drouin coming back (hopefully against the Blue Jackets today) we'll have:

Tatar Danault Gally
Kovalchuk Suzuki Armia
Drouin Domi Lehky.

That's a pretty good top nine and I'm more than happy with the centers.

 

[Montreal Impact FC]

here in Montreal (or habs fan from anywhere) we have a fascination on trying to force players to stay since we seek so much that elite prospect.

I compare devellopement to having a ripe fruit.. some fruits take more time some less.. in any case.. most of the time you just need to be a bit patient to have the full flavour but cuting a fruit when its not ripe may have some short, medium, long to permanent damage.

lets be patient please. I know its hard in this market tough.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Did I say Kotkaniemi is a bust?

It is a horrible pick in hindsight when Quinn Hughes is looking like a stud #1 LD that would’ve fit like a glove next to Weber, and beyond.

These picks are nowhere near the final product. Most people knew kk was a project/pick for the future and that their were more nhl ready players and players further along in their development available in the draft, but many opted for KK anyway.

The fact that he pleasantly surprised last year and struggled some this year does very little to change that. I think a little patience along with some strength and conditioning with this player. I’m still a fan of the pick.

 

[Roadhouse]

Very hard to say right now. There will be up and down but he seems like a cerebral player who need time to adjust but ever time we've put him in a role, he took some time to adjust and then start being great. 4th line, winger, PP, center it's all the same, there was a learning curve which is good to see.

Now they have to stop playing yo-yo with him and keep him at center and give him some good wingers, good ice-time and PP time and see how things will improve.

Those of us who don't suffer a Bergevin-induced stroke in the next couple will be lucky enough to see Suzuki "adjusting" to sharpshooter extraordinaire Cole Caufield on his right. To see a near-retirement Kovy on LW for that line would be all kinds of fun. We're only supposed to win something in 2026 anyway, according to Emperor Molson.

 

[ottawa]

here in Montreal (or habs fan from anywhere) we have a fascination on trying to force players to stay since we seek so much that elite prospect.

I compare devellopement to having a ripe fruit.. some fruits take more time some less.. in any case.. most of the time you just need to be a bit patient to have the full flavour but cuting a fruit when its not ripe may have some short, medium, long to permanent damage.

lets be patient please. I know its hard in this market tough.

Wtf are you even talking about? This is the Suzuki thread not the Kotkaniemi thread.

Suzuki is staying in the NHL no matter what happens. He's an NHL player.

 

[ahmedou]

Achieve the second year curse with success, please.

 

[salbutera]

here in Montreal (or habs fan from anywhere) we have a fascination on trying to force players to stay since we seek so much that elite prospect.

I compare devellopement to having a ripe fruit.. some fruits take more time some less.. in any case.. most of the time you just need to be a bit patient to have the full flavour but cuting a fruit when its not ripe may have some short, medium, long to permanent damage.

lets be patient please. I know its hard in this market tough.

Well said - where a prospect looks 3-4 years after a draft vs long term are usually very different. How good did Mike Richards look 4-years after the draft vs 10+ years. It happens all the time.

 

[DAChampion]

Last year, many people were saying that Suzuki would never be an NHL C, he'd be a LW.

It's hard to tell which fan predictions are meaningful and which are not.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Last year, many people were saying that Suzuki would never be an NHL C, he'd be a LW.

It's hard to tell which fan predictions are meaningful and which are not.

Hey, fans are no different than scouts and if anything we should get it right even less often (we don’t get paid to do it, after all).

I think most people didn’t think Suzuki would be a center, most scouts included. Lots of people said the same about Claude Giroux, for example.

 

[MTL-rules]

One other aspect of his game improving at an insane rate is in the faceoff circle. In his last 19 games, Suzuki is winning more than 50% of his draws... 51,5% to be exact. It's very rare for young offensive centers to excel in that aspect of the game which shows how fast Suzuki is learning.

 

[DAChampion]

Hey, fans are no different than scouts and if anything we should get it right even less often (we don’t get paid to do it, after all).

I think most people didn’t think Suzuki would be a center, most scouts included. Lots of people said the same about Claude Giroux, for example.

Right, the reason that fans are not being paid to scout is often that they're bring paid more than scouts to do different higher quality and higher skill jobs. Scouting isn't neurosurgery or patent law, it doesn't necessarily attract the brightest minds. Meanwhile a lot of fans on here are pretty smart.

It's equivalent to how many bloggers, who write as a hobby, are often more insightful than paid journalists like Jack Todd.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Right, the reason that fans are not being paid to scout is often that they're bring paid more than scouts to do different higher quality and I get skill jobs. Scouting isn't neurosurgery or patent law, it doesn't necessarily attract the brightest minds. Meanwhile a lot of fans on here are pretty smart.

It's equivalent to how many bloggers, who write as a hobby, are often more insightful than paid journalists like Jack Todd.

You’re point is very true, just saying that as a whole most of the time fans/scouts are wrong.

 

[get25]

Wait, isn't Suzuki the same player from last year that placed his junior team on his back and carried them through the playoffs to the Memorial Cup.

Those comebacks on way to Memorial Cup were epic.

 

[get25]

One other aspect of his game improving at an insane rate is in the faceoff circle. In his last 19 games, Suzuki is winning more than 50% of his draws... 51,5% to be exact. It's very rare for young offensive centers to excel in that aspect of the game which shows how fast Suzuki is learning.

He is improving which totally makes sense.
The upgrade from OHL to NHL is a significant step up.
Taking a few months to get there is quite impressive.
Look at Domi or KK FO...

Bergeron did improve from year one to the next.
As Tourigny was saying: ROR.
Problem with ROR is that he played many years ona depleted Buf team... Won't happen with Suzuki, he will be surrounded with very good players.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

s t u d

Bergeron 2.0 in the making

Bergeron 3.0

The 2.0 is our #1C.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Only 5pts behind Danault.

Without playing with the 2 best wingers...

 

[Scriptor]

Right, the reason that fans are not being paid to scout is often that they're bring paid more than scouts to do different higher quality and higher skill jobs. Scouting isn't neurosurgery or patent law, it doesn't necessarily attract the brightest minds. Meanwhile a lot of fans on here are pretty smart.

It's equivalent to how many bloggers, who write as a hobby, are often more insightful than paid journalists like Jack Todd.

Wow. A bit high on yourself? I guarantee you that most (not all) scouts are definitely more insightful than you are when evaluating talent.

(mod)

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Only 5pts behind Danault.

Without playing with the 2 best wingers...

As soon as next year, he should play with our best wingers, he's already above average defensively and pretty good offensively. His release is deadly, he should use it more.

At worst he's as good as Danault at the moment.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Only 5pts behind Danault.

Without playing with the 2 best wingers...

That is kinda true oof.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Last year, many people were saying that Suzuki would never be an NHL C, he'd be a LW.

It's hard to tell which fan predictions are meaningful and which are not.

They all should be taken with a grain of salt

 

[DAChampion]

Wow. A bit high on yourself? I guarantee you that most (not all) scouts are definitely more insightful than you are when evaluating talent.

(mod)

I wasn't referring to myself -- learn to read.

 

[ahmedou]

I swear on Nick if he continues like that I'mma buy a Suzuki as my car.

 

[Big Empty]

Suz is on pace for 50 points after today’s game. Not bad, not too f***ing bad...

 

[DangerDave]

I swear on Nick if he continues like that I'mma buy a Suzuki as my car.

I've got bad news for you. Suzuki's are no longer available in NA or Europe.

 

[japhi]

Only 5pts behind Danault.

Without playing with the 2 best wingers...

And this is a problem, why?

If he can carry a line thats ideal.