NHL's Top 300, Defensemen Screeing Part 2...

[DitchMarner]

The Overall List so far:

1. Daniel Alfredsson
2. John Leclair
3. Michael Goulet
4. Martin St. Louis
5. Ilya Kovalchuk
6. Paul Kariya
7. Dale Hawerchuk
8. Mike Modano
9 Mats Sundin
10. Mark Recchi
11. Darryl Sittler
12. Joe Thornton
13. Jarome Iginla
14. Marian Hossa
15. Scott Niedermayer
16. Rob Blake
17. Sergei Zubov
18. Doug Wilson


Defensemen who will appear on the voting list again in the future:

Boyle
Desjardins
Patrick
Numminen
Gonchar
Larson
Carlyle
Derian Hatcher
Kevin Hatcher
Housley
Suter
Greschner
Ramage
Reinhart


Eliminated from Contention:



Steve Duchesne
Matt Schneider
Dave Babych
Reed Larson
Roman Hamrlik
Kimmo Timonen
Sandis Ozolinsh
Tomas Kaberle



Latest List to Vote From:

Flash Hollett
Babe Pratt
Earl Seibert
Eddie Shore
King Clancy
Keith Magnuson
Red Kelly (not including his forward career)
Pierre Pilot
Tim Horton
Bill Gadsby
Allan Stanley
Guy Lapointe
Borje Salming
Ian Turnbull
Mark Howe
Larry Murphy
Scott Stevens
Kevin Lowe
Zdeno Chara
Andrei Markov
Erik Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty


Auto-Additions:


Doug Harvey
Brad Park
Bobby Orr
Ray Bourque
Nicklas Lidstrom
Chris Pronger
Al MacInnis
Denis Potvin
Larry Robinson
Paul Coffey



To save a player from being eliminated from contention for the final 300 list, put him in your "maybe" column.

If you have a problem with one of the auto-additions, say so in your post (I'm sure no one will question any of these, however).

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[DitchMarner]

Yes:


Flash Hollett
Eddie Shore
King Clancy
Bill Gadsby
Red Kelly
Pierre Pilot
Tim Horton
Guy Lapointe
Borje Salming
Earl Seibert
Mark Howe
Larry Murphy
Scott Stevens
Zdeno Chara
Erik Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty


Maybe:

Pratt
Magnuson

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

You need to ask about Red Kelly?????

Gadsby a maybe???

I'd suggest that you browse through the Top Players of All Time lists stickied to the top of this forum if you want to start this project from a place of knowledge.

 

[MXD]

Obvious cases underlined. Maybes bolded


Latest List to Vote From:

Flash Howlett
Babe Pratt
Earl Seibert
Eddie Shore
King Clancy
Keith Magnuson
Red Kelly
Pierre Pilot
Tim Horton
Bill Gadsby
Allan Stanley
Guy Lapointe
Borje Salming
Ian Turnbull
Mark Howe
Larry Murphy
Scott Stevens
Kevin Lowe
Zdeno Chara
Andrei Markov
Erik Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty

Feels generous to Lowe, but I can't help it.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Obvious cases underlined. Maybes bolded


Latest List to Vote From:

Flash Howlett
Babe Pratt
Earl Seibert
Eddie Shore
King Clancy
Keith Magnuson
Red Kelly
Pierre Pilot
Tim Horton
Bill Gadsby
Allan Stanley
Guy Lapointe
Borje Salming
Ian Turnbull
Mark Howe
Larry Murphy
Scott Stevens
Kevin Lowe
Zdeno Chara
Andrei Markov
Erik Karlsson
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty

Feels generous to Lowe, but I can't help it.

Agree with these, except Pratt is a maybe.

Maybe I'm generous to Lowe too.

 

[ESH]

If this is a top-300 skaters list, why would you not count Kelly's career at forward? Either way he would make it, but since it's a list that includes both forwards and defensemen it seems weird to split up Kelly's career. Did you plan on having him up for forward voting as well? What if he made it twice? (Though I guess he probably wouldn't)

 

[DitchMarner]

If this is a top-300 skaters list, why would you not count Kelly's career at forward? Either way he would make it, but since it's a list that includes both forwards and defensemen it seems weird to split up Kelly's career. Did you plan on having him up for forward voting as well? What if he made it twice? (Though I guess he probably wouldn't)

If he makes it on as a defenseman (which I'm sure he will), I won't include him as a forward voting option.

 

[DitchMarner]

You need to ask about Red Kelly?????

Gadsby a maybe???

I'd suggest that you browse through the Top Players of All Time lists stickied to the top of this forum if you want to start this project from a place of knowledge.

Okay... I checked out the lists and took a closer look at Gadsby's career. I'll add him to the "yes" column. I didn't realize he was that good.

The Hockey News had him ranked 99th out of 100 on a list of the 100 best NHL players of all time and the publication of the list that I have doesn't say too much about him other than mentioning he had to be rescued from the Atlantic Ocean at age 12 because he and his mother had been on an ocean liner that was torpedoed during WWII and that he spent ten days in an isolation unit because he had polio at age 25.

It also states he didn't win any awards, but one from of the voting discussions for the top defensemen of all-time project on here, I found out he finished in the top three for Norris voting five times. Thus he's an obvious choice.

I'll take some more time to read the discussions for best forwards, defensemen and goalies on this board.

 

[DitchMarner]

Eddie Shore, King Clancy, Bill Gadsby, Red Kelly, Pierre Pilot, Tim Horton, Guy Lapointe, Borje Salming, Earl Seibert, Mark Howe, Larry Murphy, Scott Stevens, Zdeno Chara, Erik Karlsson, Duncan Keith and Drew Doughty make it onto the list.

Hollet, Pratt, Lowe, Stanley avoid elimination.

 

[seventieslord]

Eddie Shore, King Clancy, Bill Gadsby, Red Kelly, Pierre Pilot, Tim Horton, Guy Lapointe, Borje Salming, Earl Seibert, Mark Howe, Larry Murphy, Scott Stevens, Zdeno Chara, Erik Karlsson, Duncan Keith and Drew Doughty make it onto the list.

Hollet, Pratt, Lowe, Magnuson, Stanley avoid elimination.

On what basis does Magnuson avoid elimination??

 

[DitchMarner]

On what basis does Magnuson avoid elimination??

I put him as a "maybe."

That's not to say I'll vote for him in the future, but I figured he was worth keeping in play for the time being.

 

[seventieslord]

I put him as a "maybe."

That's not to say I'll vote for him in the future, but I figured he was worth keeping in play for the time being.

...he's not, by any stretch... trust me.

 

[DitchMarner]

...he's not, by any stretch... trust me.

Okay... I'll cut him.


Looking at his career numbers, he was no Bobby Orr, but he did post some rather impressive plus/minus ratings (including a rating of +52 one year).

Was he merely a product of a strong team/partner?