NHL players who have grew up with adversity?

[OppositeLocK]

Yeah because companies have been paying workers a shit, unlivable wage with real wages plummeting even as cost of living and inflation has risen for YEARS and were able to get away with it by telling people "take it or starve". Now that it took a pandemic for the government to realize some sort of assistance was necessarily for the millions of people struggling out there, companies are complaining that in the "free market" they are losing in the labor supply/demand market.

Blame government and the people voting them in, as they're the ones encouraging mass immigration. More workers means more competing for the same wages meaning less opportunity for everyone, which ultimately results in stagnant wages over extended periods.

 

[66871]

Yes and we have increased wages to attract more employees, though it has still been a struggle at times. Good to see you reverse course though and admit that it is actually an issue.

Seems that you're also cool with "emergency assistance" being paid out to people that are perfectly capable of working and have employment opportunities available to them, but decide not to - instead collecting money to do absolutely nothing paid for largely by those that do actually work and pay taxes.

I'll put my hand up and say I'm good with it. We just went through a global pandemic and if someone needs the assistance to get their finances stable or to get their shit back in order (child care, taking care of family, etc.) then I do not care one bit. I will not lose one moment of sleep over it.

Nobody batted an eye twelve months ago when the paycheck protection program was happening. Businesses were given 100% forgivable loans to pay their employees. These were essentially hand-outs so that a select few could get the full benefit of somebody else's labor.

 

[OppositeLocK]

Yeah it's not like poverty kills millions a year or anything. That's not adversity.

First define what poverty means and then explain how it kills millions every year.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Blame government and the people voting them in, as they're the ones encouraging mass immigration. More workers means more competing for the same wages meaning less opportunity for everyone, which ultimately results in stagnant wages over extended periods.

I do blame government, but I don't think the Trumpian "blame the immigrants" is correct.

 

[Machinehead]

Yes and we have increased wages to attract more employees, though it has still been a struggle at times. Good to see you reverse course though and admit that it is actually an issue.

Seems that you're also cool with "emergency assistance" being paid out to people that are perfectly capable of working and have employment opportunities available to them, but decide not to - instead collecting money to do absolutely nothing paid for largely by those that do actually work and pay taxes.

Never said it wasn't an issue. I'm saying that wealthy and upper middle class people are completely out of touch with the cost of living because it never really makes a dent in their bank accounts. There are millions of people out there who are close to zero at the end of every month and lots of comments in this thread are exposing people who have never been through that. They think poor people are just not saving. They have nothing to save.

Yes, I'm perfectly fine with it. People shouldn't have to work to practically starve anyway. We're supposedly living in the first world. If your business isn't making enough money for your workers to live with dignity then your business doesn't make enough money. You're not entitled to labor.

 

[HBK27]

I'll put my hand up and say I'm good with it. We just went through a global pandemic and if someone needs the assistance to get their finances stable or to get their shit back in order (child care, taking care of family, etc.) then I do not care one bit. I will not lose one moment of sleep over it.

Nobody batted an eye twelve months ago when the paycheck protection program was happening. Businesses were given 100% forgivable loans to pay their employees. These were essentially hand-outs so that a select few could get the full benefit of somebody else's labor.

I'm fine with helping people out that really need it, which I believe a vast majority of those still collecting would qualify as. The problem is that with any system like this is that there are those that will also take advantage of it.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I'll put my hand up and say I'm good with it. We just went through a global pandemic and if someone needs the assistance to get their finances stable or to get their shit back in order (child care, taking care of family, etc.) then I do not care one bit. I will not lose one moment of sleep over it.

Nobody batted an eye twelve months ago when the paycheck protection program was happening. Businesses were given 100% forgivable loans to pay their employees. These were essentially hand-outs so that a select few could get the full benefit of somebody else's labor.

Yes, I work with Companies that just had their best year ever and would have had no reason to reduce workforce and still got full PPP Loans with full forgiveness.... and used it to pay themselves a dividend. Yet when it's individuals getting stimulus checks directly, that's when these same people want to start crying about "socialism"

 

[OppositeLocK]

I do blame government, but I don't think the Trumpian "blame the immigrants" is correct.

Lmao, you're right. It's magic, there's no way how could hundreds of thousands of people coming in each year into Canada alone could possibly drive down Trucking, Engineering, Technology, Finance, Construction, and Retail wages.

It's funny because before people used to blame making such statements on "racism". Now immigrants who came long before are finding their children unable to find jobs out of school because they're competing with mass immigration. You reap what you sow.

 

[Paper]

Good thing we were able to turn this thread into a xenophobic wetdream so quickly.

 

[66871]

Let's be real, twelve months of a pandemic combined with very limited support from the government means a lot of people had to figure out how to make ends meet. Minimum wage workers in urban areas likely moved 'back home' or to a lower cost area. Others maybe started working independent gigs and aren't going back. Two-income families might have decided it wasn't worth sending the lower-earner to Whole Foods any more and that they would rather cut down on 'luxury' spending. There are probably a dozen factors contributing to the shortage of cheap labor and I hope like hell that I see more of these cry-baby signs about not being able to find cheap workers into the new year because maybe then wages will naturally increase above the statutory minimum.

 

[Machinehead]

Good thing we were able to turn this thread into a xenophobic wetdream so quickly.

Every time!

Don't worry, we have about 15 more posts before it turns into a Matthews/Draisaitl thread.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Lmao, you're right. It's magic, there's no way how could hundreds of thousands of people coming in each year into Canada alone could possibly drive down Trucking, Engineering, Technology, Finance, Construction, and Retail wages.

It's funny because before people used to blame making such statements on "racism". Now immigrants who came long before are finding their children unable to find jobs out of school because they're competing with mass immigration. You reap what you sow.

Believe whatever you want, I don't have the energy to go around and pull the empirical data that shows this isn't accurate.

 

[OppositeLocK]

Good thing we were able to turn this thread into a xenophobic wetdream so quickly.

Not me, I for one wish we increase immigration because I think it'll drive down my costs further.

I'm financially independent and have more than enough for myself for the future and don't really care what happens to others.

 

[Puckclektr]

I don't know how much you make or what sort of expenses you have, I just don't think it's fair for you to start imposing values on how people choose to spend their money. You judged people who go out to eat and mentioned you save up for vacations, but other people may look at your vacations and think "that guy is wasting money and that's why he's such a tightwad and never is able to join us for dinner". Again, you seem to come back to the costs of high-level hockey being inherently more worthwhile than other means that families with a lower socioeconomic status may choose to allocate their income. Everybody's priorities are different, and decisions have to be made. Those decisions are inherently easier for families of a higher socioeconomic status and that is why you see so many players in an expensive sport like hockey come from well off families.

There are plenty of well paid people who cannot afford to put their kids in AAA hockey because They have other priorities. There are plenty of people who don’t make a lot of money that can afford to put their kids into AAA hockey because they make sacrifices. The same goes with post secondary education.There are many people who make sacrifices throughout life in order to save money to put your kids through school while others who make similar money choose different lifestyles and live in debt and can’t afford to put their kids in a post secondary education. I don’t care what people spend their money on as it’s not my business. But there are many people who can find a way to put their kids through AAA but don’t because they choose other things that are not necessities

 

[66871]

Lmao, you're right. It's magic, there's no way how could hundreds of thousands of people coming in each year into Canada alone could possibly drive down Trucking, Engineering, Technology, Finance, Construction, and Retail wages.

It's funny because before people used to blame making such statements on "racism". Now immigrants who came long before are finding their children unable to find jobs out of school because they're competing with mass immigration. You reap what you sow.

I can't speak for Canada but if you grow up in the United States and you can't get a job in tech, engineering or finance because of immigration please blame yourself.

I would argue that net-net immigrants add more to the economy than they take. The money they earn does, generally speaking, return to the local economy. Some goes back home in the form of remittances but that is more than made up for in what the undocumented immigrant community provides in subsidy to our economy in the form of inexpensive labor that American citizens are unwilling to do.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Well this thread got off the rails.. incoming lock in 3...2... a shame as I really find the discussions about class and privilege amongst hockey players an interesting one.

 

[Puckclektr]

I do blame government, but I don't think the Trumpian "blame the immigrants" is correct.

Trumpian blame the immigrants? Are you one of those that doesnt know the difference between legal and illegal.

 

[Puckclektr]

Well this thread got off the rails.. incoming lock in 3...2... a shame as I really find the discussions about class and privilege amongst hockey players an interesting one.

When people started talking about white privilege while failing to ignore the success that chinese and Indian immigrants have Because they come from a two parent family and not single parent families that struggle financially in other races it’s bound to happen.

 

[Puckclektr]

It's pretty insulting that people are saying "just stop ordering Starbucks" as a way to justify the high costs of AAA Hockey. It is what it is and it will continue to be a sport dominated by the wealthy and upper-middle class that can afford and justify the very high costs. I bet a lot more NHL players came from families of Bankers than Construction Workers.

I also never said just stop ordering Starbucks. Poor people can’t afford AAA I understand that and for the most part the average family can’t either. But I just gave you and example that there are many people who choose to eat out every day instead of bringing a lunch and order a coffee every day which ends up being about $6000 a year and that’s just food. There are plenty of ways to save money. It isn’t just a rich person sport. It’s easier for rich people to play middle class have to make sacrifices But can still do it

 

[Zeeker]

You can probably count them on one hand from Canadian players.

Rich white boy sport. Like FILTHY rich, which 95% of society can't relate too.

Such people don't know what adversity is in life.

But the stories of players before the 90s are amazing. Regular Canadian kids making it.

It's actually laughable the talent pool this league draws from. Just rich people becoming more rich.

Makes you wonder… when the talent pool is so filtered to begin with, all the people who could’ve become great hockey players if they grew up in different circumstances

 

[66871]

Trumpian blame the immigrants? Are you one of those that doesnt know the difference between legal and illegal.

No Trump blamed all sorts of immigrants (whether documented or not). Do you not remember his comment about shithole countries and his first attempted Muslim ban.

 

[Puckclektr]

Good thing we were able to turn this thread into a xenophobic wetdream so quickly.

Give an example of where it was xenophobic in this thread. Or is this just another way to derail an argument by throwing out xenophobic racism islamaphobic homophobic etc. etc. etc. you know the drill.

 

[Puckclektr]

No Trump blamed all sorts of immigrants (whether documented or not). Do you not remember his comment about shithole countries and his first attempted Muslim ban.

Did you look at the countries that were banned. How come the most populous ones weren’t? And let’s be honest it’s not the presidential thing to say but werent they shit hole countries? It’s not xenophobic to say that a country is a shithole the same way I can say that about an American city or town

 

[66871]

Did you look at the countries that were banned. How come the most populous ones weren’t? And let’s be honest it’s not the presidential thing to say but werent they shit hole countries? It’s not xenophobic to say that a country is a shithole the same way I can say that about an American city or town

You are missing the point on the shithole countries comment. He asked why they were being admitted into the country -- as though the condition of the country meant that the immigrant had nothing to offer.

 

[Puckclektr]

You are missing the point on the shithole countries comment. He asked why they were being admitted into the country -- as though the condition of the country meant that the immigrant had nothing to offer.

Is that what he meant becuse the media told you that or because there was a serious threat from religious groups. Look at The most populous Muslim countries in the world. How many of those were included in the ban?