NHL Players Tiers v1.0

List is made up on a combination of tangible stats (goals, assists, etc.) as well as underlying metrics (CF%, rel CF%, xGF%, etc.)
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    The below chart does not include rookies or goaltenders. Any sort of questions on my list or tweaks are welcomed and encouraged below.

    v1.0: Monday, November 26, 2018.

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    Jamie Benn is wayyy too high. On no list should he be above Ovi and several others that are below him

    Also Niederreiter and Tarasenko are wayyy too high as well

    What was the chart order mostly based on? Feels like I'm really missing something here lol

    Orlov and Klefbom as well weirdly very high
     
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    What is this based on? How in the world is Tarasenko ranked higher than Pastrnak, Rantanen, Kane and Laine? That was just the glaring column. Just curious?
     
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    Rasmus Ristolainen isn't even close to the same tier as McAvoy, that much I know for sure.

    Interesting list though, I like a lot of it, good thought process you put in to it.
     
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    List is made up on a combination of tangible stats (goals, assists, etc.) as well as underlying metrics (CF%, rel CF%, xGF%, etc.)

    I think that generally it comes down to personal preference with the order of the players within categories. We can go back and forth on Taylor Hall and his contributions compared to the likes of Artemi Panarin and Alex Ovechkin.

    To give insight on Nino Niederreiter, he is a top-six caliber winger in terms of scoring efficiency (1.92 P/60 since 2016). He also sports a 54.07 CF%, 6.99 rel CF%, 56.92 xGF%, and 3.85 rel xGF%.
     
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    Couturier should be in the red tier.
    Getzlaf should be in at least the red tier, maybe the green one.
    I'm not sure exactly how to fix this one, but there's no way Eberle is in the same tier as Bailey/Lee.
    Leddy should be in the teal(?) tier
     
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    As a Stars fan, whatever Benn's stats say does not represent his play at all, and he is certainly not playing like a top end left winger right now. Is this including their careers or is it just this season?
     
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    Not just this season. Basically an evaluation of their play since 2016.
     
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    as expected on most lists Stamkos is very overrated


    uhm Couturier ahead of Barzal Point...?
     
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    Ah okay. Makes a bit more sense now
     
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    I personally valued the sustainable success that Tarasenko has had during his playing time. All of the data I use is only from 5v5 since that is the only time that I think is valuable when assessing a player in their caliber. I can see the argument for Kane being ahead of him, but I just think that at this point and time, it's too early to throw Pastrnak, Rantanen, or Laine above him. Maybe at the end of the season we will get a bigger picture of how this all shakes out.
     
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    ok makes more sense then

    looked like a list was behind with the times with dumba so low and no pettersson etc
     
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    Niederreiter above Granlund is absurd. Since his move to wing at the start of the 2016-17 season, Granlund has pretty much gone point-for-point with Tarasenko.
     
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    The sustainable play of Couturier at 5v5 is what has him ahead of those players. Prior to last season, Couturier played about 31% of his career 5v5 TOI with Matt Read - not exactly a scorer. While Couturier may jut start getting tangible points, he has carried every line he has played on in his career and has been a great defensive asset for his club. Barzal and Point are still relatively new to the league so placing either ahead of Couturier may be the result of the recency bias.
     
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    As an Isles fan:

    Leddy is a tier too high.
    Bailey is a RW these days and has been for a while now. Also should be a tier higher, along with Radulov.
    I'd rank Lee a tier higher.
    Barzal and Eberle are about right.
    And Ovi should be #1 LW.
     
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    Niederreiter's play driving is what has him ahead of Granlund. Much better possession numbers in that same time period relative to Granlund.
     
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    Ovechkin is the 4th best LW, that is pretty funny!
     
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    Actually upon looking at data via Hockeyviz.com, it looks like last year Bailey played majority LW and Lee played majority RW. Here's the link: NYI 1718 F Lines
     
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    Can you explain the methodology used
     
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    I don't think it is unreasonable to label Ovechkin as the fourth best left winger currently. Here is some transitional metrics comparing the players ahead of him. Personally, I can see the argument for him above of Benn, however, I personally valued Benn higher than Ovechkin.

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    Here is some more data via Bill Comeau
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    what has matthews done to be ahead of backstrom, tavares,giroux etc? id move him to that teir(for now atleast, he hasnt really dont anything to be considered separated from that pack)
     
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    And much less actual production.
     
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    I disagree with a lot of it, but it looks like some good work for the most part. Thanks for doing this
     
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    They produce pretty similarly in terms of efficiency. 2.03 P/60 for Granlund compared to 1.92 P/60 for Niederreiter.

    *since 2016
     

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