Proposal: NHL Network --- Eichel & Dahlin FOR Hughes & Hischier

[BFLO]

I'm not arguing value here, I've said numerous times that the Devils are getting the better value here, all I'm saying is they wouldn't do it
They wouldn't do it because it's stupid. You don't trade young players that want to be on your team

Now if this trade was offered to me on EA, I'd accept it as would most everyone else as I'd be trading fake humans

Fair enough. There's something to be said for loyalty to your guys and building with what you've got. But I still think Fitzgerald mashes the IRL accept button as fast as he can if Adams actually offered this deal.

 

[Xirik]

Uhhh because Dahlin has proven something at an NHL level, and Hughes hasn't, I'm sorry did I not make that clear? It absolutely is an issue, how the hell could it not be?

He was and is.

No but Hall had a history of a bad attitude, far as I can tell Eichel hasn't, so other then being superstars, there is no comparable here.

Horrible example, basketball is far more of an individual sport than hockey, you see players controlling the narrative of what teams can and can't do there wy more.

Don't know if that would be enough.

If Dahlin and Hughes were the same age perhaps you would have a point, However they are not. I also don't understand why you think Dahlin has proven himself like Eichel has, Dahlin bar is set at Franchise 1st pair D and so far he has not played up to that. He isn't playing 20+ minutes a game and his +/- while not the best stat isn't getting better each season. Right now he's a 2nd pair powerplay specialist.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Fair enough. There's something to be said for loyalty to your guys and building with what you've got. But I still think Fitzgerald mashes the IRL accept button as fast as he can if Adams actually offered this deal.

I think in a couple years I may have changed my mind on this, but I'd just stick with my guys
IMO the Devils are trending up, and I think Nico and Hughes are essential to continue that

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

If Dahlin and Hughes were the same age perhaps you would have a point, However they are not. I also don't understand why you think Dahlin has proven himself like Eichel has, Dahlin bar is set at Franchise 1st pair D and so far he has not played up to that. He isn't playing 20+ minutes a game and his +/- while not the best stat isn't getting better each season. Right now he's a 2nd pair powerplay specialist.

They are a year apart dude, really not such a huge disparity, putting up 44 points as an 18 year old is unheard of, how is that not proving himself?
he plays on the worst team in the league, given that +/- is really subjective, he can learn to be more defensive, offense like that as an 18 year old is absolutely a huge indicator. He's at least proven to be a 1st pair dman, Hughes has been a huge let down, of course he can and likely will change that, but as of now, Dahlin has proven much more.

 

[tsujimoto74]

If Dahlin and Hughes were the same age perhaps you would have a point, However they are not. I also don't understand why you think Dahlin has proven himself like Eichel has, Dahlin bar is set at Franchise 1st pair D and so far he has not played up to that. He isn't playing 20+ minutes a game and his +/- while not the best stat isn't getting better each season. Right now he's a 2nd pair powerplay specialist.

Dahlin scored more than twice as many points his rookie year than Hughes, and he's a defenseman.

 

[Tempo]

Some NJ fans are really eager to die on this hill.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

You can bookmark this post when in 4 years from now jack Hughes is putting up 90 points and Nico Hischier is putting up 70 points

You can bookmark this one for when Eichel is putting up 100pts and Dahlin is a Norris caliber PPG+ defenseman

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

How are they doing with Eichs and Dahl's?

Building a solid core around them.

 

[boredmale]

Fake Trade Proposals like this is what happens when you have to much time to fill on your TV show

 

[Kublakhan]

this thread started bad and is still ugly

 

[TBF1972]

It would make sense for Van and Buff to want to hold on to their own players in that deal as the value difference between them isn't all that large right now. It does not make sense for the Devils, everyone except for Devil's fans are in agreement that right now, Eichel and Dahlin have way more value than Hischier + Hughes.

most devils fans have agreed, that value favors the devils.

devils fans, who are against doing the trade (like me), think fit (2c vs 1c+1ld) and timing (eichel 24 vs. hughes 19) are the reasons to decline the proposal. once people ask for add-ons it's not worthwhile to discuss any further. i also stated in a previous post, that i would rather only trade for eichel (no inclusion of dahlin) with ONE of hischier or hughes going the other way. i am fully aware, that the devils would have to add in this scenario. but if the add-on would be the other young center, it's again a moot point to discuss the trade, as the devils have no other top 6 center in their pipeline.

declining the proposal doesn't mean, we think hischier + hughes are more valuable than eichel + dahlin. it just means devils fans stick to the current build plan of their team. lot of it is obviously being familiar with the players and believing them reaching their potential. so if today eichel and dahlin were devils players and hughes and hischier were playing for the sabres, the same devils fans would most likely shoot down the trade proposal in the opposite direction.

the bad heat created by some posters in this thread is simply stupid.

 

[wings95]

I am wings fan who is currently stationed in upstate NY and I have not watched one Buffalo game yet. Is JE a franchise center? I have not ever watched him. If JE is the cornerstone, and franchise center that some on this board think I could see JE alone fetching the Devils players. Thanks for the help

 

[LRS87]

I see some really dumb takes. I agree Buffalo shouldn’t do this trade but people saying that isn’t enough for Eichel alone? Hughes+Hischier would an amazing return for Eichel.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Neutral fan and this is how I see it.

Eichel > Hughes
Dahlin > Hischier

 

[steveat]

Usually, defencemen are worth more, but the closest comparison would be maybe - would you trade Hedman for Tavares? Both drafted in the same draft. JT is a top 3 Centre and Hedman is a number 1 Dman.

 

[TS Quint]

These Devils fans can’t be serious. They have to be trolling. Some of the excuses in this thread outside of talent are laughable.

Last year:

Eichel: 78pts
Dahlin: 40pts

Hughes:21pts
Hicher:36pts

This isn’t close. None of the excuses of likening your guy, age difference because Jack is about to jump in a coffin at the old age of 24, Dahlin being An EnTiRe YeAr OlDeR than Hughes, the beliefe Hughes and Hichier are soooo much more proven than Dahlin, your hopes and dreams that Hughes and Hicher will become superstars, etc etc make up the Grand Canyon separation of talent between the Sabres players Vs Devils players.

 

[The Burdened]

I'm hard on the Sabres, but I wouldn't trade Eichel for Hughes+Hischier, let alone adding Dahlin

 

[ninetyeight]

First of all Eichel has two goals this season, two. Hischier has 2 goals and he's only played 5 games.

Hischier is signed for a million years, while Eichel and Dahlin are already looking to leave NJ before even being traded there

There are tons of other reasons you can't just compare points directly. Age, potential, chemistry, personality, marketing etc. Until you really know what you have in your potential franchise guys you don't traded them.
There's plenty of risks in trades like this, there's no guarantee how the new guys will adapt to the system, franchise, location and team mates, so there's extra value in guys that actually want to be in their teams and whose fans are already invested on and rooting for.

 

[hidek91]

These Devils fans can’t be serious. They have to be trolling. Some of the excuses in this thread outside of talent are laughable.

Last year:

Eichel: 78pts
Dahlin: 40pts

Hughes:21pts
Hicher:36pts

This isn’t close. None of the excuses of likening your guy, age difference because Jack is about to jump in a coffin at the old age of 24, Dahlin being An EnTiRe YeAr OlDeR than Hughes, the beliefe Hughes and Hichier are soooo much more proven than Dahlin, your hopes and dreams that Hughes and Hicher will become superstars, etc etc make up the Grand Canyon separation of talent between the Sabres players Vs Devils players.

I'm not saying that Buffalo should pull the trigger on this one, in fact I think both fanbases say "no" but if you take points completely out of context, then we should offer Wood + Kuokkanen to NYR for Kakko + Lafreniere, which would be heavily lopsided but based on point totals from this season, it'd be entirely ok.

You completely ignored:
1) The fact that Hughes at that point wasn't even close to being NHL ready.
2) Hughes has vastly improved in terms of eye test and advanced stats,
3) Production has improved significantly this season,
4) Hughes has hit the iron so many times that he can actually put "blacksmith" as his job on LinkedIn (dry joke, I know),
5) Hughes optimally should play with better wingers than he's playing with this season (e. g. Reinhart would be the best of his wingers this year),
6) Hischier played 10 less games than Eichel (but I agree that Eichel's production has been much better),
7) Team control. That's the biggest problem, Eichel doesn't turn us into contender and he is only controlled for 5 more years, if he walks after that we failed rebuild that started in 2015. I'd rather keep this risk in Buffalo

 

[BFLO]

These Devils fans can’t be serious. They have to be trolling. Some of the excuses in this thread outside of talent are laughable.

Last year:

Eichel: 78pts
Dahlin: 40pts

Hughes:21pts
Hicher:36pts

This isn’t close. None of the excuses of likening your guy, age difference because Jack is about to jump in a coffin at the old age of 24, Dahlin being An EnTiRe YeAr OlDeR than Hughes, the beliefe Hughes and Hichier are soooo much more proven than Dahlin, your hopes and dreams that Hughes and Hicher will become superstars, etc etc make up the Grand Canyon separation of talent between the Sabres players Vs Devils players.

Yeah exactly. Devils fans turning down Eichel + Dahlin for Hischier + Hughes would be like if Sabres fans turned down McDavid + Draisaitl for Eichel + Dahlin. You make adjustments to your rebuild when offered such a huge value upgrade, even if it temporarily weakens your team composition.

 

[sufferer]

This is hilariously stupid. Delete the thread.

 

[not a troll]

First of all Eichel has two goals this season, two. Hischier has 2 goals and he's only played 5 games.

Hischier is signed for a million years, while Eichel and Dahlin are already looking to leave NJ before even being traded there

There are tons of other reasons you can't just compare points directly. Age, potential, chemistry, personality, marketing etc. Until you really know what you have in your potential franchise guys you don't traded them.
There's plenty of risks in trades like this, there's no guarantee how the new guys will adapt to the system, franchise, location and team mates, so there's extra value in guys that actually want to be in their teams and whose fans are already invested on and rooting for.

First, way to conveniently leave out the rest of the guys' points. Eichel is on pace for 70 in a full season. Hischier? I'll let you do the math. The offensive production isn't even close. Eichel is at minimum two tiers above Hischier.

Second, Hischier contract expires in 2027. Eichel in 2026. Hardly "a million years" difference. No factual basis in "Eichel and Dahlin are already looking to leave NJ before even being traded there" so no point in arguing that. No factual basis in even Eichel and Dahlin asking out of Buffalo right now. Just rumors.

 

[MartyOwns]

yeah so our fans tend to get a little too attached to our players lol. this trade, while incredibly unrealistic, is actually pretty spot on in terms of value and addressing both teams' areas of needs. i think the devils still need to add here, but maybe not.

 

[TS Quint]

I'm not saying that Buffalo should pull the trigger on this one, in fact I think both fanbases say "no" but if you take points completely out of context, then we should offer Wood + Kuokkanen to NYR for Kakko + Lafreniere, which would be heavily lopsided but based on point totals from this season, it'd be entirely ok.

You completely ignored:
1) The fact that Hughes at that point wasn't even close to being NHL ready.
2) Hughes has vastly improved in terms of eye test and advanced stats,
3) Production has improved significantly this season,
4) Hughes has hit the iron so many times that he can actually put "blacksmith" as his job on LinkedIn (dry joke, I know),
5) Hughes optimally should play with better wingers than he's playing with this season (e. g. Reinhart would be the best of his wingers this year),
6) Hischier played 10 less games than Eichel (but I agree that Eichel's production has been much better),
7) Team control. That's the biggest problem, Eichel doesn't turn us into contender and he is only controlled for 5 more years, if he walks after that we failed rebuild that started in 2015. I'd rather keep this risk in Buffalo

All the risk is on New Jersey and their impossibly high hopes of their two players and the giant gap to fill from where they are now a few post doesn’t change much. Keeping Hischier and Hughes makesNew Jersey worse than Eichel/Dahlin. You pay Eichel his contract all day every day and he is UNDER CONTROL for 6 years and Dahlin for 6 (?) more years. Hitting a post is just as far from scoring as it is from missing the net completely.

The Devils would have to be brain dead to turn this down. This isn’t close in any way.

edit: just looked it up Hughes has the same number of posts hit as Eichel with 5.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Fake Trade Proposals like this is what happens when you have to much time to fill on your TV show

Truth