Jamieh
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No, I have seen nothing in the last 10 years to suggest the NHL would treat the Coyotes unfairly.Have you considered these two things are not mutually exclusive?
No, I have seen nothing in the last 10 years to suggest the NHL would treat the Coyotes unfairly.Have you considered these two things are not mutually exclusive?
Perhaps you're about to.No, I have seen nothing in the last 10 years to suggest the NHL would treat the Coyotes unfairly.
Doubtful unless you are looking at it with a closed mind.Perhaps you're about to.
If this was so cut and dry, the punishment would have been already given.Here's an example of how serious the NHL is about rules:
Maple Leafs fined $500K, stripped of draft pick
I have no idea if the Coyote's cheated or not but the NHL does get serious about such allegations.
I would not assume that Jakey. The case I showed had the player signed in the summer and the fine handed out the following Apr.If this was so cut and dry, the punishment would have been already given.
I think Chayka may have found a loop hole in the NHL rules, now the NHL is kind of scrambling. I'm only assuming like you said.I would not assume that Jakey.
A loophole is what the Leafs got fined for. The NHL has shown they do not like folks who want to stretch the limits. I have no idea if the Coyotes did anything wrong but it sounds like this isnt going away.I think Chayka may have found a loop hole in the NHL rules, now the NHL is kind of scrambling. I'm only assuming like you said.
It's like you folks choose not to read??? He's not comparing the Coyotes to the Astros, he's saying that because of all the heat from the Astros, Leagues are looking to send a message about cheating.
And I would also say that taking the temperature around pro sports and the ongoing saga with the Houston Astros and the cheating scandal in baseball, the timing couldn’t be worse for the Coyotes if indeed they are found to have done wrong. I think Bettman will come down hard if the league’s investigation finds wrongdoing because it will be important for the league to send a message
Its a great example to mindset, every League will want to show the paying audience that they are hard in cheaters. As for the rest, I, like you, have no idea what the Coyotes did or didn't do.He's still using it as an example to mindset, and it's still a bad comparison as XX pointed out.
You have to ask yourself...... what real advantage is there to the Coyotes if they contacted X number of players headed to the upcoming draft that are going to be at the combine anyway? The whole purpose of the rules to begin with was to eliminate teams dragging these kids away from their development programs a multiple number of times to perform the same physical testing and risking potential injury to them in the process. It wasn't about some teams getting some sort of an advantage. They simply wanted to simplify the process for the potential draftees.
That's how I read it as well. Time will tell.Lebrun is being dramatic for effect, looks like it's working.
The Astros all knowingly cheated in a way that directly impacted the outcome of games and won it all as a result. In no world is eyeballing or measuring teenagers you may not even end up drafting remotely the same thing. Even bringing it up calls into question the validity of everything he is saying. It's that dumb.
The league has to prove that the Coyotes knowingly cheated in a way explicitly prohibited by league language in order for any sort of meaningful consequence to come from this situation.
Outside of that 1 in 20 scenario, it's probably a fine, a warning, and cleared up language.
The benefit-cost ratio of risking the league hammer for data of questionable worth on prospects that is a few months ahead of everyone else simply isn't there, so I don't believe it's reasonable to suggest the Coyotes got caught "red handed" doing anything improper. "Teams are livid" can be a total exaggeration or it can be exactly two teams with an axe to grind, or ones simply looking to trip the Coyotes up with a piece of info they came across. If this was as bad as implied, it wouldn't be a footnote story.
The league is not interested in f***ing a franchise into the dirt that's already struggling and just got a much needed new owner.
This isn't going away because of the media, and the NHL dragging their feet.A loophole is what the Leafs got fined for. The NHL has shown they do not like folks who want to stretch the limits. I have no idea if the Coyotes did anything wrong but it sounds like this isnt going away.
With the Coyotes making a whole-sale change of their scouting staff last year this could legit be a rookie mistake by a newbie. Thoughts?
I don't buy it. I think Chayka et al. believed it was better to ask forgiveness than permission and got caught. Simple as that.
Quite a set of assumptions you have there.You know why the NHL and their other teams are furious?
It's not the exploitation of the rulebook's gray areas per se. Every team does that to some extent in various areas. It's because the Coyotes are a team that the NHL forcibly kept in Arizona through bankruptcy and a succession of con artist owner stewards until Meruelo came around. It's because many NHL teams, especially the ones in big, traditional markets, look at the Coyotes as a drain on their own profits and have concluded that a franchise that shouldn't even be here.
So when a team like that has the chutzpah to basically bite the hands that fed them and skirt the rules, everyone's going to want the hammer to fall.
The corollary "if it's not specifically proscribed, consider it prescribed" gets a lot of things accomplished, but creates some heartburn (generally for others).This is one of my life rules. It usually works out, but I avoid applying it to anything that might be a felony.
Do we know for sure that what they're investigating is the request to show up in a t shirt or shorts? That came from Craig Morgan iirc but no one else has been specific about what the actual accusations are right?
I disagree. The NHL wants a franchise here, and the NHL is run by the board of directors, and some of those have a lot of weight and are from traditional markets. Besides, who said the NHL is furious? It's the media. Fake news.You know why the NHL and their other teams are furious?
It's not the exploitation of the rulebook's gray areas per se. Every team does that to some extent in various areas.
It's because the Coyotes are a team that the NHL forcibly kept in Arizona through bankruptcy and a succession of con artist owner stewards until Meruelo came around. It's because many NHL teams, especially the ones in big, traditional markets, look at the Coyotes as a drain on their own profits and have concluded that a franchise that shouldn't even be here.
So when a team like that has the chutzpah to basically bite the hands that fed them and skirt the rules, everyone's going to want the hammer to fall.
What did he say?I read Bettmans most recent comments as a sign that their may be no punishment at all. I’m the eternal optimist though.