Upgrade your account today to enjoy the forums ad-free.
Click here to upgrade: Account Upgrades

Prospect Info: NHL Draft 2018 - Friday...Friday...

Discussion in 'Arizona Coyotes' started by SniperHF, Jun 8, 2018.

?

IF something happens, what will it be?

  1. Coyotes Trade up to 3 or 4

    47.3%
  2. Coyotes Trade down but stay in the first round

    47.3%
  3. Coyotes Trade out of the first completely

    5.5%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. RABBIT

    RABBIT Do it for Makaveli Sponsor

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    7,298
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'm really warming up to Dobson at 5. Great skating right-handed defenseman that may only need another year or so of development is hard to pass up. Especially since we just locked in Oliver for another 8 years, groom him to be his partner. I'll agree that I feel that we need more offense, but we have a lot of wingers already. Maybe not high-caliber wingers like Wahlstrom, but it is a position of surplus. Tricky decision to be in. I'll say if Zadina is still there at 5, there's no question that you take him. If not, trust your draft board. If Dobson is their best ranked player come our pick, I trust their decision.
     
  2. Grimes

    Grimes Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Messages:
    3,663
    Likes Received:
    376
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    Tippet's Doghouse
    With the Hoffman **** show in Ottawa does anyone else thing Tkachuck may look more appealing to them at 4? Fancy name that may impress casual fans, can imagine he is a groomed to be a professional in the league, high floor so it would be a very risk free pick.
     
  3. RABBIT

    RABBIT Do it for Makaveli Sponsor

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    7,298
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    it's a good point for sure.
     
  4. Bonsai Tree

    Bonsai Tree Turning a new leaf

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2014
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    604
    Trophy Points:
    94
    This is (Please God) our last real kick at the can of a top 5 pick. Let's take the risk and pick a player with sky high offensive potential.
     
    Sthlmyote and Mosby like this.
  5. AZviaNJ

    AZviaNJ @AZviaNJviaNY

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,177
    Likes Received:
    448
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    AZ
    or Dobson if the plan is to trade Karlsson.
     
  6. avco

    avco Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2007
    Messages:
    264
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    66
    If Carolina select Zadina with the 2nd OV (has established chemistry with Martin Necas their first round pick from last year's draft) would the Yotes entertain trading the 5th OV plus some other asset to Montreal for the 3rd OV to get Svechnikov.
     
  7. Grimes

    Grimes Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Messages:
    3,663
    Likes Received:
    376
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    Tippet's Doghouse
    Which also leads back to Hoffman. I think EK and Ottawa have a broken relationship now.
     
    AZviaNJ likes this.
  8. Mosby

    Mosby Howl On

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2012
    Messages:
    10,686
    Likes Received:
    1,496
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Toronto
    Canes already said they are taking Svech
     
  9. rt

    rt DingDongTippIsGone! Sponsor

    Joined:
    May 13, 2004
    Messages:
    61,149
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    County Cork
    As long as we’re patient and give him a very long time to develop, I’m fine with it.

    He’s got to work on decision making in his own zone, he’s got to work on not telegraphing his shot, his shot accuracy, building some strength into his frame, and using that to play a much more assertive, less butter soft game.

    That’s fine with me though. Every prospect outside of the top two has a lot of stuff they need to work on.
     
  10. rt

    rt DingDongTippIsGone! Sponsor

    Joined:
    May 13, 2004
    Messages:
    61,149
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    County Cork
    If you’re looking for a shorter development path, I wouldn’t look to Dobson. Bouchard would be my answer for that. I view him as significantly more pro ready.
     
  11. Katie Connauton

    Katie Connauton I Did Something Bad

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    80,385
    Likes Received:
    1,995
    Trophy Points:
    157
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Choir director
    Location:
    Payson, Arizona
    Is the fact that today is Oliver Wahlstrom's 18th birthday relevant to this topic?
     
    ducky likes this.
  12. moosemeister

    moosemeister Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    4,064
    Likes Received:
    929
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Gilbert, Arizona
    I've been all of the place and everything is starting to blend together. But isn't he like one of the youngest players in the top 10 for this draft? That's another reason I wanted to draft him is because he's so young.
     
  13. SniperHF

    SniperHF Stickiness Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2007
    Messages:
    30,522
    Likes Received:
    3,025
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Location:
    Phoenix
    It's a cop out but since the FO hasn't screwed up a first yet I defer to their judgement. Like the Joseph pick, I wasn't mad about it but thought it was a small reach and thought there were some less projecty types on the board at the time. The scouts have been very good at identifying risers before they rise.
     
    Ultra Mega Chychrun likes this.
  14. SpaceCoyote

    SpaceCoyote Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Messages:
    233
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    East of St. Louis
    Age Bias in Drafting

    Interesting article regarding scouts inaccurately adjusting player assessments based on age.
     
  15. IPreferPi

    IPreferPi A Nonny Mouse

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2012
    Messages:
    11,290
    Likes Received:
    663
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Given Chayka's propensity to draft younger players so far, I'm sure he and the scouts do adjust age accurately.
     
  16. RABBIT

    RABBIT Do it for Makaveli Sponsor

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Messages:
    7,298
    Likes Received:
    1,610
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Tolvanen.
     
  17. IPreferPi

    IPreferPi A Nonny Mouse

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2012
    Messages:
    11,290
    Likes Received:
    663
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    He's one of the youngest, although Kotkaniemi is younger by a few weeks. I believe Boqvist is the youngest overall with a general top 10 ranking (August birthday).
     
  18. IPreferPi

    IPreferPi A Nonny Mouse

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2012
    Messages:
    11,290
    Likes Received:
    663
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Dobson has the edge for me among the non-Dahlin defenders (which wasn't the case until after Boqvist had his second concussion). I think he has a pretty safe floor as a #3-4 shutdown D but he's definitely a project pick who will likely need 3 seasons of development. Bouchard is more NHL-ready although he certainly has holes in his game too.
     
  19. Neighborhood Coyote

    Neighborhood Coyote Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2017
    Messages:
    489
    Likes Received:
    284
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Peronally speaking, like others above have said, I'd be ok with whoever the Yotes have decided to go with. I'll keep my trust in them and hold out any judgement.

    However, I just don't get super excited about Dobson as a prospect in comparison to some of the others. Not an expert at all on these things but I just don't get excited like I would for others at that spot. If the Yotes took him, I'd find a way I'm sure haha.
     
  20. ctwin22

    ctwin22 Go Desert Dogs

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2008
    Messages:
    5,254
    Likes Received:
    194
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Location:
    Chandler, AZ
    I'm ok w/Dobson, but I'd rather get more offense...our defense was really good after the horrific start. Let's see what type of numbers they could put up with some decent forwards. Svech, Zadina or Wahlstrom for me. All 3 of those guys will be in the pros within 2yrs
     
    Yandover and Coyotedroppings like this.
  21. AZviaNJ

    AZviaNJ @AZviaNJviaNY

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,177
    Likes Received:
    448
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    AZ
    I heard on Sirius today (Laughlin/O'Sullivan) that the Sens knew about this situation since November. They didn't elaborate, but to your point I think we'll see EK in Vegas next season.
     
    Ultra Mega Chychrun likes this.
  22. ParisSaintGermain

    ParisSaintGermain Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    4,391
    Likes Received:
    229
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Really happy with whoever we draft at 5, I trust our scouts, I trust Chayka to make the most of that pick. No need to trade up, no need to trade down. No need to trade it.

    I really hope we find a way of getting an additional late first or an early second because it feels there is a chance of getting someone there who could be significant.

    Deep draft.
     
    doaner and Ultra Mega Chychrun like this.
  23. Coyotedroppings

    Coyotedroppings Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2017
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    290
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I understood that to be speculation.

    ???
     
  24. Ebb

    Ebb the Flagellant

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2015
    Messages:
    2,198
    Likes Received:
    79
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    PA
    Still have no idea what we'll do, but I'm guessing we keep the pick.

    My preference (if available):
    1. Zadina
    2. Wahlstrom
    3. Bouchard
    4. Kotkaniemi
    5. Valeno
    6. Dobson
    7. Hughes
    I haven't done much in the way of research, but what are thoughts on some of the following Euro skaters that fall between Boqvist and Kotkaniemi:
    • Kravtsov (#3--6'3 | 184 lbs | RW-LHS)
    • Kaut (#4--6'2 | 176 lbs | RW-RHS )
    • Ginning (#5--6'4 | 206 lbs | D-LHS)
    And a few other NA skaters I haven't heard much about:
    • Hayton (#9--6'1 | 190 lbs | C -LHS)
    • Noel (#10--6'5 | 204 lbs | RW-RHS
     
  25. rt

    rt DingDongTippIsGone! Sponsor

    Joined:
    May 13, 2004
    Messages:
    61,149
    Likes Received:
    3,915
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    County Cork
    Man. Dobson lost 100% of all board battles in the Memorial Cup. Guy has no battle at all in him along the boards. Rewatched the 3rd period against the SC Broncs and the 1st period against the Pats, just now. You go into the corner with Noah Dobson and you have a complete guarantee that you will come out with the puck.

    I’m going to finish this Pats game and go back to rewatching some Tkachuk and Hughes at the WJC.

    EDIT: he’s so freaking good at high speed and when he gets separation. Intriguing project. Make no mistake, Dobson is a project in that classical sense of the word.
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018
    Yandover likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"