NHL.com Super 16 No. 1 picks since 1980
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Llamamoto
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Fluery that high is kind of a head scratcher.
Mr Tadakichi
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GeeoffBrown
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MacKinnon is better than several players above him. Wouldn't be surprised to see him rise over time
JaegerDice
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Fleury is polarizing.
He's the top player from the best draft class in history (in terms of hardware).
But he's arguably worse than a lot of his contemporaries in his position (would you take peak Fleury over peak Price/Rask/Luongo?)
He's the top player from the best draft class in history (in terms of hardware).
But he's arguably worse than a lot of his contemporaries in his position (would you take peak Fleury over peak Price/Rask/Luongo?)
The Macho King
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He has literally zero hardware that wasn't a participation award.
Video Nasty
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Man, so many people have a strange fetish for Fleury.
If nothing else, it’s taught me to look at anyone writing for these “prestigious” sites that they’re just ordinary people with little to no knowledge of their own field of study.
If nothing else, it’s taught me to look at anyone writing for these “prestigious” sites that they’re just ordinary people with little to no knowledge of their own field of study.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
It is literally awarded to people who participated in the team that won, so... yeah?
There is zero minimum threshold for individual performance in order to win the Cup. The only criterion for individual eligibility is participation.
how is Lecavalier so low ?
Lecavalier was at one point been the best player in the league, yea it was short but a lot of these players have not done that yet.
Lecavalier was at one point been the best player in the league, yea it was short but a lot of these players have not done that yet.
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Stephen
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There's a bit of a minimum threshold for individual performances in order to win the Cup as a starting goalie.
Stephen
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I've been a big Lecavalier fan since his Rimouski days and his whole career but he was the best player in the league for what, one season?
Took too long to get going after being drafted, was fantastic that he won a cup, but also ran into injuries too soon and finished with less than 1000 points. At one point he was looking like he would be neck and neck with Joe Thornton but just fell off the face of the earth.
Matthews for example has been in the NHL for 4 years and his career best would already rank as the 2nd best goal scoring season by Lecavalier and the 3rd best point total by Lecavalier.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
Technically there isn't, because there is no number of goals that a goalie can give up and guarantee a loss.
I wouldn't try to make any kind of extreme argument about Fleury in general, but with recent Cup winners like Osgood, Niemi and Crawford, I don't think the position is exempt from the same factors as other positions. The Stanley Cup is not an individual accomplishment at all.
Luigi Lemieux
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Fleury's definitely being seen in a more positive light across the league since leaving Pittsburgh. Which is strange since 80+% of his wins and all 3 cups are with the pens. Can't imagine him being this high up on a list like this a few years ago. 2018 vgk run has a lot to do with it it seems.
Stephen
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I think your issue is more to do with what Fleury, Osgood, Niemi and Crawford were doing when they weren't winning cups more than the minimal impact cup runs.
Fleury was actually much better the year the Penguins lost in 2008 than in 2009 when they won. Fleury was also pretty good the year he "backed up" Murray in 2017 when he won 9 of the 16 games.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
Exactly! His best performance as an individual is unimportant when it comes to the Cup. He didn't participate on the right team that year. For some players, that is the story of their entire career. For some, it's the opposite.
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nowhereman
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What? Lecavalier was never the best player in league or even close to it. Even in his best season, he was lapped by a 19 year old Crosby.
This list makes no sense at all.
Is it best talent? If so Lindros should be higher, as should Mackinnon and Matthews.
Is it best career? If so - how in the world do you have Matthews or even Mack above Turgeon, and even Lecavalier? Matthews especially - he hasn't won anything yet
Is it "this is our prediction as to how they rank all-time when they retire", while being a bit conservative on expectations for the young guys (Mack/Matthews)? I think this is the most logical based on the list - but if that's the case Modano and Hawerchuk have no place being above Lindros and Thornton imo.
