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[BruinsFanSince94]

So we could have had Mojo and Ferland for exactly what Moore Miller and Heinens cap hits are. 7th and 8th d who will both begin the year on LTIR and the worst or most disappointing forward in the playoffs.

LMFAO. You do realize Ferland was abysmal in the playoffs, right?

 

[JOKER 192]

I'm guessing Vegas is gonna want to unload a contract along with Gusev otherwise why trade him, gives zero cap relief.

 

[UncleRico]

he put up 8 points in a 24 game playoff run with Coyle & Johansson firing on all cylinders and all 3 guys healthy.

I seriously don't get why Heinen gets the full "but his linemates!" treatment but those same people will look for any excuse to discredit a guy like Ferland.

As a comparison ferland put up 1 assist in 7 games while being on ice for 1 goal for and 3 goals against.

While Heinen only had 8 points in 24, he was on the ice for 13 goals for and 6 against. Which was the best ratio on the team.

It’s not like ferland was out there killing it in the playoffs.

I’m not discrediting ferland. I would just rather have Heinen than ferland because Heinen has been more productive on lesser lines in his career.

 

[easton117]

You know. From a positive point of view going in to next season. If all Bruins fans have to complain about is if a third liner can be a first liner that’s not all that bad all things considered.

Would still like to see them add a true top six guy with a mean streak, but they certainly have the depth to be fine come the TDL barring the injury bug.

 

[UncleRico]

So we could have had Mojo and Ferland for exactly what Moore Miller and Heinens cap hits are. 7th and 8th d who will both begin the year on LTIR and the worst or most disappointing forward in the playoffs.

If you want to play this game we could have had Mojo, heinen and ferland for what backes, Miller and Moore’s cap hits equal out to.

Please explain to me how the worst/most disappointing forward can also have the best goals for to goals against ratio in the playoffs on the bruins.

Heinen was on the ice for 13 goals and 6 against. 68.4% goals for ratio. Next highest was 60%.

 

[member 96824]

Let’s get one thing straight here...Until Brad Marchand doesn’t make a pee wee mistake and change with 8 seconds left in the period while the Blues are entering the zone on a rush, he will be the most disappointing forward of the 2019 playoffs.

 

[UncleRico]

For everyone complaining about heinens 8 points in 24 playoffs games. Keep in mind he barely played any time on the powerplay.

Heinen had 7 even strength points in the playoffs, more than bergy (6), krug (6), tied with debrusk (7). Marchand and Pastrnak both had 10 each with considerable more playing time.

 

[danpantz]

Ya but how many fights did he have

 

[Fenian24]

Years ago I was dreaming of Panarin years ago, now it's Gusev time for me as well.

By far the mist potential to be a impact player(realistic) on the market.

The top 6 lacks skill.

It also lacks size and toughness. There is none in the organization that is ready, or may ever be ready, for top line minutes. Gusev wants 4M I read, I would have given that to Ferland and felt pretty good about his getting at least 20 with Krejci or Bergeron.

Gusev might get 30 or be in Providence demanding his release by Christmas

 

[DominicT]

I'm guessing Vegas is gonna want to unload a contract along with Gusev otherwise why trade him, gives zero cap relief.

Precisely.

Especially since they are desperate to re-sign Schuldt and may want to bring Engelland back

 

[Dizzay]

In my mind, we didnt miss out on anyone this off season. Dont want Mojo back! Too risky with his injuries! Hes not the guy we need! I'd prefer to get Carlo and McAvoy signed, see how the first 20 games go, get Miller traded, LTIR Backes and Moore and use that cash to add if need be.

 

[GloveSave1]

Let’s get one thing straight here...Until Brad Marchand doesn’t make a pee wee mistake and change with 8 seconds left in the period while the Blues are entering the zone on a rush, he will be the most disappointing forward of the 2019 playoffs.

That game was over at 0-1. It wasn’t happening after that.

As for the Ferland discussion...I’ll pass. I don’t feel the need to jump right now at the beginning of the summer...the Bruins should look for the right guy whenever that happens. While I’d like that to be before Game 1 of 82, if it’s at the deadline, that’s not the end of the world.

I’m not a big believer in this forced rush at the beginning of the summer...if you’re gonna make a big splash, okay, but after that...just wait...

 

[Gordoff]

he played with Backlund & Gaudreau in Calgary from what I understand.

Yeah some people like to claim sour grapes... "Meh, he never played with Gretzky so he must suck."

 

[JOKER 192]

Precisely.

Especially since they are desperate to re-sign Schuldt and may want to bring Engelland back

Question is who?

 

[DominicT]

Question is who?

I would venture to guess Cody Eakin

 

[bruinmann77]

you guys think this type of deal can get done with boston?

 

[JOKER 192]

I would venture to guess Cody Eakin

That was my guess too but does that provide enough relief?

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

For everyone complaining about heinens 8 points in 24 playoffs games. Keep in mind he barely played any time on the powerplay.

Heinen had 7 even strength points in the playoffs, more than bergy (6), krug (6), tied with debrusk (7). Marchand and Pastrnak both had 10 each with considerable more playing time.

Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak & Debrusk were all playing through injuries and every single person on these forums thought they were, to a man, all below their usual standards, especially at even strength. The Bergeron & Krejci lines had tougher matchups than the Coyle line most of the time. Just saying I find it interesting that you specifically picked those guys to compare him to and not his own linemates. Coyle & Johansson are better comps for Heinen on this playoff run because all 3 guys were healthy, playing on the same line against the same competition with somewhat comparable TOI. Johansson produced more at ES in fewer ES minutes and fewer games. Coyle only had about a minute more ES TOI than Heinen per game & dramatically outproduced him. Like...that line as a whole far exceeded expectations and basically carried the team through to the finals and somehow Heinen still underperformed offensively.

I just don't get the need or desire to spin an a 24-2-6-8 performance in the playoffs as anything more than mediocre, especially given that it was worse than his regular season output.

 

[DominicT]

That was my guess too but does that provide enough relief?

With Clarkson on LTIR and if they take picks/prospects back in return, then yes. With about a million and change to spare

 

[GoBs]

As a comparison ferland put up 1 assist in 7 games while being on ice for 1 goal for and 3 goals against.

While Heinen only had 8 points in 24, he was on the ice for 13 goals for and 6 against. Which was the best ratio on the team.

It’s not like ferland was out there killing it in the playoffs.

I’m not discrediting ferland. I would just rather have Heinen than ferland because Heinen has been more productive on lesser lines in his career.

Ferland was injured during the entire playoffs

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

This is where you lose people though.

Heinen career averages per 82 games:

Goals: 13.7
Assists: 27.3
Points: 41.0

Ferland career averages per 82 games:

Goals: 15.1
Assists: 17.8
Points: 32.9


Yet you say Heinen is going to be 30-35 points per season and ferlands going to be 36-40.

Yes ferlands hits more, but heinen averages more blocked shots and takeaways per 82 games and averages less giveaways 82 games.

So Heinen averages more points, more blocked shots, more takeaways and less giveaways while getting paid 700k less per year.

here's the thing: I brought up Heinen in relation to Ferland to point out the double standard that I'm seeing here. Some people will do everything in their power to argue that Heinen is secretly a 50 point top 6 player & just needs to be given the chance while Ferland is the next Beleskey and is just another bottom 6 guy. I get that the advanced stats favor Heinen as does the age difference. I'm not even saying I'd prefer Ferland to Heinen for their respective deals. But I think the comparison is closer than a lot of people here will admit & that's driving me nuts.

Meanwhile what really bothers me is we could have had both. They are drastically different players, but both pretty versatile as wingers & both could have helped this team in very different ways.

 

[UncleRico]

Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak & Debrusk were all playing through injuries and every single person on these forums thought they were, to a man, all below their usual standards, especially at even strength. The Bergeron & Krejci lines had tougher matchups than the Coyle line most of the time. Just saying I find it interesting that you specifically picked those guys to compare him to and not his own linemates. Coyle & Johansson are better comps for Heinen on this playoff run because all 3 guys were healthy, playing on the same line against the same competition with somewhat comparable TOI. Johansson produced more at ES in fewer ES minutes and fewer games. Coyle only had about a minute more ES TOI than Heinen per game & dramatically outproduced him. Like...that line as a whole far exceeded expectations and basically carried the team through to the finals and somehow Heinen still underperformed offensively.

I just don't get the need or desire to spin an a 24-2-6-8 performance in the playoffs as anything more than mediocre, especially given that it was worse than his regular season output.

The krejci line did not have tougher matchups than heinen. Heinen ranked 4th on the team among forwards in quality of competition faced, the order went bergy, marchand, pastrnak, then Heinen according to corsicas advanced stats.

Cassidy used Heinen on multiple lines during the playoffs, not just the Johansson/Coyle line. That is very evident by Heinens 4th ranked quality of competition and Coyles 10th ranked and Johansson 12th ranked quality of competition among forwards.

 

[UncleRico]

Ferland was injured during the entire playoffs

False he played 7 games and ha one point. While on the ice opposing teams scored 3 goals against his lines 5v5 and his line scored 1 goal against opposing teams.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

False he played 7 games and ha one point. While on the ice opposing teams scored 3 goals against his lines 5v5 and his line scored 1 goal against opposing teams.

he was playing injured.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

The krejci line did not have tougher matchups than heinen. Heinen ranked 4th on the team among forwards in quality of competition faced, the order went bergy, marchand, pastrnak, then Heinen according to corsicas advanced stats.

Cassidy used Heinen on multiple lines during the playoffs, not just the Johansson/Coyle line. That is very evident by Heinens 4th ranked quality of competition and Coyles 10th ranked and Johansson 12th ranked quality of competition among forwards.

Perhaps teams were trying to shut down Coyle and Johansson but I would be surprised if these numbers were actually true.