NHL Audiences (Canada)

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  1. bayrider

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    Although part of a broader article, I think those numbers are very interesting to say the least. RDS is not in every home like the CBC is, nor do they have as large an audience (French speaking) like the rest: TSN, CBC, RSN.
     
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    I can maybe see as far as the Leafs, if fans are tiring of barely making or not making the playoffs(but they're very much in the hunt in a close race, so even that's curious)but the Canucks are making serious noise going into the post season and Calgary is all but there-why not higher ratings out west? Edmonton is interesting that they're losing but gaining viewership? Maybe a lot are tuning in to see the Oil's future players?
     
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    hmm...canadiens get better ratings than the leafs and every other canadian city. interesting...
     
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    The numbers are down after a spike after the Lockout; this was as predicted according to an earlier article by Houston.

    What I find most interesting is what appears to be the relatively poor audience for the Leafs given the size of Sportsnet Ontario's market -- are the broadcasts excluded from the Ottawa area? Even if that's the case, it doesn't fully explain the difference. For Sportsnet, the Canucks are not that far off with 324,000 vs the Leafs at 416,000. Yet Sportsnet Pacific only broadcasts in British Columbia with a total population base of 4.3 million people (versus Ontario at 12.5 million). Edmonton's and Calgary's audiences, although much lower, appear much better on a per capita basis, with both franchises sharing the Sportsnet West region, and having a much smaller potential audience than the Leafs.

    GHOST
     
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    Only if you want to ignore the fact that Toronto plays Saturdays. Factor in the CBC feeds and the Leafs draw close to 760,000 on average per game.

    TSN and Sportsnet only air weekday games which common knowledge would suggest draw lower ratings than weekends.
     
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    You're right. It would impossible to compair the 2, as there are other factors in play as well (CBC Saturday games being a national broadcast, RDS being available nationally, RDS being in French). I think if you were able to get somewhat compairable #'s, then they would be close. What I think it would show is how much the 2 teams still dominate the Canadian NHL market, which would come as no surprise to anyone.
     
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    Yes, they are - thankfully ;)

    Ottawa's TV area is Kingston to the Quebec border, which is around 1.5M people, I believe. Don't know how many TV households that is, though.
     
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    And Atlantic Canada.
     
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    On Sportsnet, you're right. Forgot about that.

    Semi-related: I didn't think you guys got the Sens on CBC in the Maritimes - do you?
     
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    This isn't about ratings, but I'll ask it anyway...TSN is showing Tampa vs. Carolina tonight, and I can't figure out why since Ottawa-Montreal is at the same time. Is this due to some rights agreement or something? It seems an odd choice for a lot of reasons.
     
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    The Ottawa vs. Montreal game is a regional game. You can see it if you live in Ottawa's regional coverage area on Sportsnet.
     
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    Thanks! Here's another (probably stupid) question - are all Sportsnet games regional? Do they only show Canadian teams? Canadian TV coverage confuses me a bit, obviously.
     
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    Sportsnet focuses on Canadian teams. Here's how it's broken down between the four Sportsnet Channels.

    Sportsnet Pacific
    Vancouver Canucks: can be seen in British Columbia and the Yukon.

    Sportsnet West
    Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers: can be seen in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Northwest Territories and Nunavut.

    Sportsnet Ontario
    Toronto Maple Leafs: can be seen in Ontario, west of a line drawn from Pembroke in the north, and Belleville in the south.

    Sportsnet East
    Ottawa Senators: can be seen in the Maritimes, Quebec and Ontario, east of a line drawn from Pembroke in the north, and Belleville in the south.

    Those are the regions that can see the games. So if you're an Edmonton Oilers fan living in Ontario and you tune into Sportsnet West to watch the game it'll be blacked out in your area.
     
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    Doc-Snet doesn't cover Montreal games? I'd assume RDS does. What about English-speaking Canadien fans? Where do they watch games?
    I'm surprised there isn't a Sportsnet Quebec.
     
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    In the case of the Oilers, an early season spike is almost certantly the reason for the increase in averave viewership. Defending WC champs, and playing fairly well early on. I would bet their viewership plummetted in the last month or so. However, the average is good news for the Oilers, as they are in a contract year.
     
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    I checked it out and the Canadiens are listed as part of Sportsnet's schedule but I think they only show games on it if they're playing Ottawa. The Canadiens do have the contract with RDS so as for seeing the games in English you have to catch the National games covered by the CBC or TSN so your options are limited.
     
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    Do you have any idea (link if possible) of the terms (length and amount of dollars) the Oiler are asking for/expecting to obtain with Sportsnet on a new contract? Is there any chance the TV rights could be bid on by an alternative network?

    Thanks,

    GHOST
     
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    TSN obtained the rights to show certain American vs. American-based teams' games. They sometimes use the Versus or RSN feeds. They actually get very decent ratings (see the thread "NHL TV ratings and revenues").

    GHOST
     
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    The only possible alternative network would be TSN, which would probably create nothing but headaches given the local blackouts that would be necessitated if Sportsnet and TSN were to broadcast a Flames and Oilers game on the same night, respectively.

    Realistically, Sportsnet is the only option. In the past, the Oilers have actually simply purchased air time on Sportsnet, then sold the advertising themselves. Its one of the reasons why Quinn and Ferraro are so bloody biassed - they work for the Oilers, not Sportsnet.

    While I suspect that the Oilers would look for a similar arrangement into the future, one has to wonder if they might decide if it is smarter to simply sell the rights to Sportsnet for a set fee, as the Flames do, given the probability they are about to enter a bit of a rebuilding phase, and a likely downturn in TV interest as a result.
     
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    Hrm, Millions also receives paychecks from the Flames. Harry Neale and Joe Bowen direct from the Leafs.

    Current SNET/Oilers deal expires at the end of 07-08
     
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    Hmm, I was under the impression that it was after this season. Potentially bad news then for the Oilers, given that their viewership will very likely be lower.
     
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    Pretty sure it is after next season coinciding with the end of the current TSN & CBC deals.
     
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    Trizent, what do you do that makes you so knowledgable about TV contracts and the like? Is it just a hobby or are you in the industry?
     
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    Thank you for the info. :) I don't catch a whole lot of games on Sportsnet, wasn't sure if they ever showed games nationally, but it looks like they don't.
     
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