So I guess we can all heap praise on Beyonce as the second best vocalist of all time, I mean she only has a handful less Grammy's! In less than half the time!!
How about this.....let's compare Kid Rock's vocal chops to his peers. Grade him on the curve. Hell, grade him on the curve in his genre of music. If you did that you might be able to accept that he isn't so bad.
IT would be like grading Krauss (who I'm actually a fan of) to Maria Callas and me saying Krauss' vocals aren't close!
As I've said over and over, you don't get to impart absolutes when it comes to music, or food, they are subjective in nature.
Take me......I'm the biggest foodie I know. I've been a passionate "home" cook for the better part of 25 years. I spend ridiculous amount of money travelling the world tasting regional foods. Yet, every now and then I need a box of Kraft Dinner. Hell, it would probably be my "last meal".
And for you to mention Bob Dylan, Neil Young....I'll add Leonard Cohen and Mark Knoppler and claim they are not vocalists is just crazy. They are vocalists of a different genre of music.
But hey......you may look at a singer and judge them by their vocal ability and not their musical ability. I said Kid Rock was an honest musician.....that was actually my ex-wifes description of him. He never uses autotune, like the vast majority of his contemporaries, he plays countless instruments, and he writes his own stuff. He is what he is, an entertainer. Sorry you feel that makes him a hack. I guess because Dylan doesn't have the chops the Krauss has he is a sub par musician.
so if you have to fundamentally misrepresent my position, what does that say about your arguments?
bob dylan ( and neil young) are both fantastic musicians and song writers. They are still BOTH substandard vocalists. I am beginning you don't understand the meaning of the word and are willing to just assume musician/entertainer/singer/popular all mean more or less the same thing.
What is bob dylan's range ? how well can he carry a note ? The answer, limited and not very well. The converse is also true that there are some great vocalists who can sing the doors off a car who suck as entertainers. you know why ? because they are not synonymous.
if everything is subjective then I proclaim you really have a great deep and thorough understanding of the topic, which mwans you are almost certainly a graduate of the shaquille oneal school of enunciation.
And good job at telling everyone how well you cook. And seeing as the specific example of " wanting a kraft dinner" is exactly the same argument I previously made with big macs, I ask again can you please stop stealing my arguments and then trying to pass them off as your own ?
You can crave kraft dinner, you can love craft dinner. As a self professed " foodie" any mac and cheeze that has to be reconstituted from process powered cheese, is probably NOT the best mac anyone has EVER tasted, unless its the only one they ever tasted. does that mean you can't like it ? NO. like what you want. hell if you like reconstituted cheeze powder, more powert to you. Ask your foodie friends whether this makes it good. go ahead.
and grading him based on his peers, who would that be ? he might be a better singer than toby keith as they share the same schtick, but that's not a ringing endorsement. And if his peers also all are substandard vocalists he would have the crown of being the best out of a class or poor. Again that no feather in his cap.
Go back and look at what I said which is that I can disagree with the notion that he's a good vocalist ( something you inherently seem to accept) . if true, again I ask what's your beef ? that he's good enough even with his limitations ?