Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by LeafsNation75, Jan 24, 2020.
I have no problem with any of the selections. People get way too emotional about these things.
Hey Giroux got shafted again. What else in new.
Your first post said he started to decline "early " in the decade so I took that as 2012-2014. That simply isn't true. Not sure there's was any clear picks but him in the top 4 is ok
I've seen worse posts in my day but never one so objectively wrong. You can't think 2009 is part of the 2010s, you just can't.
That would have been a pretty solid list if....i'm not gonna be original...Fleury wasn't on any of these teams. Lundqvist is quite easily the most consistent goalie of the past decade. Doughty deserves to be on the first team. Great at both sides of the puck as was Keith.
No idea how Fleury and Bergeron got selected, they belong nowhere near the list.
Rough decade for goalies. Those guys are good but the guys in the prior decades were legends.
Backbone of the cup? The Pens won in 2009 in spite of him, not because of him. He was average at best in 2009... much better in a losing effort in 2008.
I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about.
Malkin not being on the first team is a joke. Absolutely deserves to be in over Kane, even if one of his Art Ross trophies was in 2009. Still has a better PPG over the decade than Kane, and more impressive playoff play.
Fleury there makes this team selection even worse.
But that was last decade. Lol.
It's not major disrespect to suggest someone who has never won a Vezina and has never been considered a perennial Vezina candidate should not be named all-decade goalie.
That's like of Mats Sundin was named 1st all-decade center in the 90's ahead of guys like Lemieux, Sakic, Forsberg, etc. and people saying "bad choice". That's not disrespecting Sundin or what he did for the Leafs, that's being a realist.
If you look at Vezina voting a take the top 5 vote getters each year of the decade and give 5 points to first, 4 points for second, down to 1 point for 5th, here are goalie standings this decade:
Bishop, Holtby, Price- 11
Quick, Vasilevskiy- 8
Miller, Thomas, Luongo- 5
Varlamov, Bryzgalov, Dubnyk, Hellebuyck- 4
Fleury, Brodeur, Lehner, Niemi, C.Anderson- 3
F.Andersen, Nabokov, Smith, Talbot- 2
Elliott, Crawford, Binnington- 1
Fleury is in a 5 way tie for 17th place during the decade.
Now if you look at other stats during the decade, he's not much better.
11 of the goalies ahead of him, or tied with him, on this list have better save%
6 of the goalies ahead of him, or tied with him, on this list have better GAA (and 1 more is tied with him)
Honestly I'd say it's complete insanity to put any of Rinne, Lundqvist, Bishop, Holtby, Price, Bobrovsky, Quick or Rask below Fleury. All 8 of those guys have much better overall resumes and there shouldn't be a debate over any of those choices. So AT BEST you can put Fleury at 9th for the decade.
Here is top 5 players in P/GP for decade (ignoring McDavid at 1.33 and Kucherov & Panarin both at 1.04):
- Crosby 1.25
- Malkin 1.16
- Stamkos 1.09
- P.Kane 1.08
- Ovechkin 1.01
The difference between Malkin and Kane (.08) is as big as difference between Crosby and Malkin (.09).
I like Fleury, I really do, but him having a better decade than Lundqvist is the worst hockey take I've ever heard.
f*** positions lol
I wouldn't put it past the voters to just simply have forgotten that it wasn't Fleury in net when the Pens won their Cups in the 2010s.
Kane has a considerable lead in actual points though, because he didn't miss as much time, and probably has a slight edge in the playoffs because this cuts off Malkin's Conn Smythe run. Malkin was generally the better player but it's debatable who was the more impactful player overall in the period.
I also wouldn't put it past the voters to simply have forgotten his first Cup isn't this decade.
I think that's debatable. If the cutoff is 2010 playoffs to 2019 playoffs, then Kane has 41 goals and 109 points in 111 games and Malkin has 39 goals and 106 points in 113 games. Kane also missed less time so he has more points overall and better points finishes. Malkin was better per game, while Kane wasn't that far behind and played more games. I don't see how it can't go either way.
There are players listed as top 100 all time that played in this decade and didn't make the decade team. Both lists by NHL
The NHL is nothing if not inconsistent in how it conducts all aspects of its business.
Toews doesn’t belong on either list, though.
Considering the local media seems to downplay Murray's importance to those Cups and seems to make it seem like Fleury was vintage Patrick Roy to help the Pens win the '09 Cup, it wouldn't surprise me if that was a widespread belief.
"OMG Fleury was the backbone of the Pens winning those Cups!"
"Meh, anyone with goalie pads could have done what Murray did. All he did was stand there while a dominant team covered for him"
Whenever I see video of the Penguins winning the Cup in 2009 it's always of the save Fleury made off Lidstorm in the final seconds.
That's kind of my point. Fleury definitely came up big in Games 6 and 7, but prior to that, and for the bulk of the playoff run, he was up and down. Yet the revisionists make it seem like Fleury played the entire playoffs like he did in those two games.
I wonder how many people also forget Niklas Kronwall hitting the cross bar in Game 7 just after the Red Wings made it 2-1. If the puck goes into the net 99% the game goes into overtime and it's 50/50 on who wins the Cup that year.
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