New York Knicks: Why is this franchise so bad?

[alko]

I think, with the money in New York, with the arena like MSG, with so many fans ... Looking to their history, there is not much to celebrate. Only 2 titles and that in 70s. In last 20 years only 5 times in playoffs.
And: Not a single mega star on the level of LeBron, Durant, Shaq, MJ ...

Why is that? Why cant they make a dynasty team? Why the megastars doesn't want to sign with this franchise?

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[BostonBob]

Why the megastars doesn't want to sign with this franchise?

 

[John Price]

 

[clydesdale line]

Yea that just about sums it up.

 

[GKJ]

It wasn't for a lack of trying, they tried to get in on all these free agents and couldn't. There was the one dude they hired away from the Pacers whose job it was to get LeBron to come to the Knicks back when he went to the Heat and didn't even get a sniff. It also seems that the Nets are seen as the 'New York' team now too.

 

[alko]

Please explain. Is that the owner?

 

[Del Preston]

Please explain. Is that the owner?

Yeah that's James Dolan.

A couple links about him and what he's done to the Knicks:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/spike-lee-mess-latest-in-history-of-james-dolans-public-knicks-wars/

New York Knicks: 7 Worst Decisions in the James Dolan Era

 

[HisIceness]

Thats all that needs to be said.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

Phil Jackson didn’t help. What’s with these great players or coaches being garbage executives? I kinda understand Michaels struggles with the hornets but man oh man Phil. He signed Jose Calderon cause he spoke good Spanish, traded Tyson chandler away for a box of cookies and signed Lamar odom who was on crack at the time.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

James Dolan is largely to blame but he’s not the only one. I’m not saying Knicks fans are the worst in the NBA but they are up there.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

I think, with the money in New York, with the arena like MSG, with so many fans ... Looking to their history, there is not much to celebrate. Only 2 titles and that in 70s. In last 20 years only 5 times in playoffs.
And: Not a single mega star on the level of LeBron, Durant, Shaq, MJ ...

Why is that? Why cant they make a dynasty team? Why the megastars doesn't want to sign with this franchise?

1. Some pretty bad draft lottery luck lol
2. James Dolan being a scrub
3. Not a very new and hip culture, I mean they got spike lee but if I’m a big star I’m looking at opportunity elsewhere
4. Bad overall basketball decisions outside of James Dolan. Aka Phil Jackson

 

[No Fun Shogun]

The owner fundamentally doesn't understand how to construct a team (both on the court and in upper management) and is more interested in hiring big names than anything else.

.... well, almost anything else....

 

[Voight]

Their owner is an incompetent nincompoop.

They would have signed a star free agent by now if any other person owned the team. I mean, not only does he fail to hire good people, he manages to piss of franchise greats and pretty much anyone else that calls him out on his BS. Rangers have succeeded because he's stayed away and does not try to micro manage them.

Also doesn't help that since their last title, they have had a handful of good seasons and thats it.

 

[Cassano]

Phil Jackson didn’t help. What’s with these great players or coaches being garbage executives? I kinda understand Michaels struggles with the hornets but man oh man Phil. He signed Jose Calderon cause he spoke good Spanish, traded Tyson chandler away for a box of cookies and signed Lamar odom who was on crack at the time.

Phil Jackson was the President, it was the GM Steve Mills that signed Noah, Hardaway Jr, drafted Knox, etc.

Phil gets the heat because he got paid big bucks, but at least he had a philosophy in mind and was able to recruit players. IDK why Mills got a huge pass all those years.

Phil actually orchestrated the best move the team made in decades when drafting Porzingis, much to the disapproval by Knicks fans everywhere at the time.

The answer is Dolan though. They'll never win anything with him as President. They're 5 years away from being a playoff team if things don't blow up again.

 

[rfournier103]

For as long as I have cared about pro sports (mid 1980s) I can’t ever remember the Knicks being very good. Sure, they’ve had moments of semi-glory, but aside from an appearance in the ‘94 Finals, nothing comes to mind.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Dolan, that's all.

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

Phil Jackson was the President, it was the GM Steve Mills that signed Noah, Hardaway Jr, drafted Knox, etc.

Phil gets the heat because he got paid big bucks, but at least he had a philosophy in mind and was able to recruit players. IDK why Mills got a huge pass all those years.

Phil actually orchestrated the best move the team made in decades when drafting Porzingis, much to the disapproval by Knicks fans everywhere at the time.

The answer is Dolan though. They'll never win anything with him as President. They're 5 years away from being a playoff team if things don't blow up again.

Ehhh, Phil oversaw all those moves though. I do think hardaway jr was a good addition though, he’s just overpaid but he’s a decent scorer. Also hernangomez wasn’t a bad signing at the time. Don’t even get me started on the 4 year contract that was given to Courtney Lee, which should’ve made national news for its stupidity. The whole porzingis situation is so funny and that’s why I hope that the Knicks are miserable for the next 20 years cus f*** their fans

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

Ehhh, Phil oversaw all those moves though. I do think hardaway jr was a good addition though, he’s just overpaid but he’s a decent scorer. Also hernangomez wasn’t a bad signing at the time. Don’t even get me started on the 4 year contract that was given to Courtney Lee. The whole porzingis situation is so funny and that’s why I hope that the Knicks are miserable for the next 20 years cus f*** their fans

 

[Cassano]

Ehhh, Phil oversaw all those moves though. I do think hardaway jr was a good addition though, he’s just overpaid but he’s a decent scorer. Also hernangomez wasn’t a bad signing at the time. Don’t even get me started on the 4 year contract that was given to Courtney Lee, which should’ve made national news for its stupidity. The whole porzingis situation is so funny and that’s why I hope that the Knicks are miserable for the next 20 years cus f*** their fans

THJ was an inefficient chucker before and after he was signed by the Knicks. It was pretty terrible and everyone knew it since day 1.

 

[Maestro84]

Their owner, James Dolan, makes Eugene Melnyk look smarter than Einstein & Nikola Tesla

 

[Outofbodyinhungary]

THJ was an inefficient chucker before and after he was signed by the Knicks. It was pretty terrible and everyone knew it since day 1.

Really? Cause watching him with Dallas this year he’s been very good. Developed a decent 2 way game there as well. Always thought he had the skill to be a star in the league but not the bball iq

 

[Gecklund]

I mean the only real successful New York team (including Rangers, Giants, etc.) in the last 10 years is that Rangers team that went to the Finals and the Giants for a few seasons in the early half. It’s not just a Knick thing. It’s a city thing. To me, it’s always thinking you’re better or have a bigger pull than you actually do.

 

[John Price]

The Jordan doc is a reminder that the 90's Knicks were actually pretty good

 

[EpochLink]

The Jordan doc is a reminder that the 90's Knicks were actually pretty good

Ewing, Starks, Oakley, Mason, Rivers, Anthony and the X MAN Xavier McDaniels.

That was an awesome team.

 

[rent free]

I mean the only real successful New York team (including Rangers, Giants, etc.) in the last 10 years is that Rangers team that went to the Finals and the Giants for a few seasons in the early half. It’s not just a Knick thing. It’s a city thing. To me, it’s always thinking you’re better or have a bigger pull than you actually do.

the yankees haven't been slouches either, though. they've had many good seasons in the 2010's. if you're going to mention the 2014 rangers, you better damn well mention the 2015 mets, who made it to the world series.