New Sudbury Arena
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cub
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you're all welcome, come in the fall, driving in the winter could be tough at times.
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Yeah, in the three years there's been a team in Flint I think the date of the trip/potential weather negated that idea twice. This year, I decided to cut back on road games/cash expenditures a bit because of the quality of the team. I've got a new AWD ride now though so I can get a little more risky with the weather. Hopefully I can get the fam up there next year and do a Sudbury/North Bay trip. It's probably about the top of my road game wish list. I wanna see that rink in Peterborough at least once too. London's cool and I love the WFCU in Windsor but there's just something about traveling to and watching a game in a rink/town like Owen Sound that I really dig.
I would like to have seen the new arena built on the old Baycar Steel site in the south end. The Mcisaac family owns all of the land from the Harvey's south of the 4 corners to Long Lake Road, all the way back to Countryside Road. This site includes a mall on it, roads and sewers already in, restaurants hotels and Highways to the south, east, west and north. There are numerous hotels right next to the site.
AND, the city is growing in this area. 5 minutes to the University and five minutes to the downtown area. This was my pick, but it never even got a chance to be proposed, mysteriously I might add.
There is also no city dump next door either!
AND, the city is growing in this area. 5 minutes to the University and five minutes to the downtown area. This was my pick, but it never even got a chance to be proposed, mysteriously I might add.
There is also no city dump next door either!
cub
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For a guy who hasn't posted in 3 years, you have a lot to say lately. The concept is a Sports and Entertainment Centre, the Maslack site is a good site, but not enough room for what future plans and growth.
What is the difference with all the growth around Kelly Lake, which is a lake basically for sewage retainment? There is industrial, commercial, and residential all around it. Come summer time has more of an odour than the dump.
The site will be close to dump but there will be a natural buffer zone, at present time there are subdivisions, motel, church, Tim Hortons close to the dump but it is not visible at all, you would not even know a dump exist close by.
Any chance the Wolves push hard to get the construction completed before Byfield heads off to the NHL in 2 years?
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Suppose to be built for 2020, but there is a small group from Downtown, that are trying they're best to delay the project as much as they can because council decided to build the Kingsway Sports and Entertainment Centre about 5 to 10 minutes from downtown.
So there could be some delays, with appeals etc. I believe Byfield will be with the Wolves minimum 3yrs.
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opinions are allowed, I go to dump on regular basis and can't even see the main dump site, and barely stinks, so don't make things up. What is the difference of Kelly Lake, where there actually houses being built around it, and stinks like crazy and thats no lie.
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I have question, the Soo has arena and casino downtown, hasn't really help grow you're downtown?
the downtown has been slowly dying as more businesses locate to the Northern part of the city where all the expansion seems to be taking place...largely unfortunate this is happening; our downtown really needs a huge revitalization to save it....the Casino does little to help the downtown other than simply being a presence, much like the Station Mall...the arena does help the downtown businesses slightly on gamedays though
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thanks I'm a realist, the downtown has to create its own identity. I really don't see the Downtown being saved by arena, the Sudbury Arena has been downtown for 60 years with no growth around it. Major retailers have moved out mainly do to having more parking for their shoppers. Downtown stores are mostly closed at 5 pm during the week, and dead quiet.
I really excited of the concept of the Kingway Entertainment Centre, with an Arena, Casino and Hotel to start, and it has a lot opportunity to grow there, which it can't downtown.
I really think Downtown needs a whole urban renewal, needs population density, people living downtown to make it work.
Baycar Steel property on hwy 69 S and all the pre-developed property & (roads) surrounding South Ridge mall & the four corners and south to Walmart/box stores is an excellent location for the arena +. But, MacIsaac is not giving it away. The family has held that property and adjacent properties which they have slowly sold/developed since (1970?). It might be the most valuable land (for commercial development) in the city.
That is nothing like the proposed current site next to the dump which is worthless until millions is spent on blasting rock, sewers, protecting the marshes, and building a road to the hwy 17. The proposed Kingsway development is great for Zulich & partners, not the city.
I agree. This project will benefit Zulich immensely. If the payoff wasn't going to be huge, why would he have paid about 5 million more than the Wolves were worth.
As far as seeing the dump from the roadside, that isn't the pointed I made. The point is what do you see from the 7th floor a hotel? I flew a drone over the site, one can see the dump clearly at 57' off the ground at the main gate. It is a poor site.
Non- the- less, Sudbury does need this facility, I believe there is a better site, with more infrastructure already completed. If the city takes that into account, the property becomes more affordable when the developer takes away the costs of site preparation. The blasting estimates are around 20 million on the Kingsway, take half of that cost and put it towards the land and its very feasible. This isn't an odour issue Cub, this is a location issue. The city's Southend is accessible to multiple hotels, restaurants, the hospital, Countryside area for practices, the university, three different high schools, two gyms and the highways going East' West and South without having to alter the existing way into the city.
This in my opinion is a much better site and don't know if the Kingsway site will actually happen considering this project has lawsuits pending the results of the new municipal board ruling on the whole project.
This is really sad as Sudbury does need a new building as we all know the Wolves are playing in a frozen turtle shell for a building. Out of all the building I am at in Canada, other than the old Oshawa building before it was replaced, the Sudbury Arena is the worst one.
As far as seeing the dump from the roadside, that isn't the pointed I made. The point is what do you see from the 7th floor a hotel? I flew a drone over the site, one can see the dump clearly at 57' off the ground at the main gate. It is a poor site.
Non- the- less, Sudbury does need this facility, I believe there is a better site, with more infrastructure already completed. If the city takes that into account, the property becomes more affordable when the developer takes away the costs of site preparation. The blasting estimates are around 20 million on the Kingsway, take half of that cost and put it towards the land and its very feasible. This isn't an odour issue Cub, this is a location issue. The city's Southend is accessible to multiple hotels, restaurants, the hospital, Countryside area for practices, the university, three different high schools, two gyms and the highways going East' West and South without having to alter the existing way into the city.
This in my opinion is a much better site and don't know if the Kingsway site will actually happen considering this project has lawsuits pending the results of the new municipal board ruling on the whole project.
This is really sad as Sudbury does need a new building as we all know the Wolves are playing in a frozen turtle shell for a building. Out of all the building I am at in Canada, other than the old Oshawa building before it was replaced, the Sudbury Arena is the worst one.
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the problem the debate came down to the Downtown site on Minto and Kingsway Site. Many people forget or ignore that, the Kingsway site in my opinion way better than the Downtown Minto site, to the taxpayer. The Southend came lower in rating site then Downtown and Kingsway site from professional consultants.
If you're talking cost, it would cost more than 20 million to expropriate businesses on the Minto block. Also it would cost over 14 million dollars for soil piling before anything can be built on it. So we are going to take out our best business in the downtown core Golden Bakery, Wacky Wings, Dog House, Alexandria, Old Rock, how does canabalizing these businesses help the downtown? Not only that you are taking away a significant tax base from these businesses.
The existing Sudbury Arena, is still a solid arena, I rather watch a hockey game there than many arena in the OHL.
Kingsway site will happen.
If you're talking cost, it would cost more than 20 million to expropriate businesses on the Minto block. Also it would cost over 14 million dollars for soil piling before anything can be built on it. So we are going to take out our best business in the downtown core Golden Bakery, Wacky Wings, Dog House, Alexandria, Old Rock, how does canabalizing these businesses help the downtown? Not only that you are taking away a significant tax base from these businesses.
The existing Sudbury Arena, is still a solid arena, I rather watch a hockey game there than many arena in the OHL.
Kingsway site will happen.
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jamo27
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Gonna bump an old thread. Vote to approve new 200M arena downtown comes up in April...
5800 fixed seats, projected opening 2028
5800 fixed seats, projected opening 2028
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Yes, the city needs a new barn. It was reported today that the city figures the cost to renovate the old barn is almost equal to building new. Much of the property adjacent to the existing arena has been expropriated for the new event centre. I will be very surprised if this doesn't pass.Hope you guys get it for
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I would not be surprised, the decisions of Sudbury's council have been questionable lately....
Sudbury needs a new arena though so I'm rooting for you guys
Discussion is supposed to be held at City Council tonight. I think it is quite likely that no vote on it will actually take place tonight but who knows
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Past city council comments stack the odds against $200M arena
Judging from comments made during the 2022 civic campaign season, it appears unlikely city administration’s proposal to move forward with a $200M arena will proceed
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jamo27
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Council vote unanimous… looks like we are getting a new barn….City council unanimously backs $200M arena/events centre
