Blue Jays Discussion: New players, new uniform, new thread

[TheBeastCoast]

Mike Fiers being accused of having a relationship with a minor now. This off season is bananas.

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Mike Fiers being accused of having a relationship with a minor now. This off season is bananas.

I wonder if the Astros knew about this but just let it slide.

you would hope not but they seem to have no problem trading for woman abusers or cheating to win a World Series.

 

[Anthrax442]

Wow Mike Fiers Appears To Have Been Accused By Two Women Of Underage Sexual Harassment

 

[Kurtz]

Wow Mike Fiers Appears To Have Been Accused By Two Women Of Underage Sexual Harassment

I hope that no one takes this as absolution on Houston.

But I could have sworn reading a year ago that Houston touted themselves as immaculate morally, and then they go out and traded for Osuna, did the whole cheating the game thing, fired an assistant GM for being a sexist in public, and now this thing with Fiers.

What an org.

 

[phillipmike]

Sounds like Castellanos is going to the Reds

 

[Anthrax442]

Sounds like Castellanos is going to the Reds

Too bad, it could be fun

 

[The Nemesis]

Sounds like Castellanos is going to the Reds

That's fine. He's an intriguing bat, but the reality is that he's basically a 1B/DH at this point and the Jays don't need any more of those. Places list him as a 3b/OF, but truthfully:

1) He hasn't played 3rd since 2017 and was never better than a suboptimal defender even at his best at the position.

2) In his time as a primary OF over the last couple years he has been unspeakably awful. Just to pick one metric, by UZR over the last two seasons he is the second worst OF in baseball ahead of just Charlie Blackmon and by UZR/150 among qualified fielders (min of around 900 innings in the outfield) he's 4th worst with just Rhys Hoskins, Blackmon, and Teoscar Hernandez behind him (and FWIW Hernandez is mostly sunk by being forced into CF this past year. He was actually a positive UZR/150 in LF in 2019.)

Not saying that he wouldn't have been an overall roster upgrade on Teoscar, but everyone's already looking to pull him from the outfield. Not sure it would've made sense to go and acquire a free agent to do basically that same thing at a position that's already a little redundant at best for the Jays.

 

[dredeye]

That's fine. He's an intriguing bat, but the reality is that he's basically a 1B/DH at this point and the Jays don't need any more of those. Places list him as a 3b/OF, but truthfully:

1) He hasn't played 3rd since 2017 and was never better than a suboptimal defender even at his best at the position.

2) In his time as a primary OF over the last couple years he has been unspeakably awful. Just to pick one metric, by UZR over the last two seasons he is the second worst OF in baseball ahead of just Charlie Blackmon and by UZR/150 among qualified fielders (min of around 900 innings in the outfield) he's 4th worst with just Rhys Hoskins, Blackmon, and Teoscar Hernandez behind him (and FWIW Hernandez is mostly sunk by being forced into CF this past year. He was actually a positive UZR/150 in LF in 2019.)

Not saying that he wouldn't have been an overall roster upgrade on Teoscar, but everyone's already looking to pull him from the outfield. Not sure it would've made sense to go and acquire a free agent to do basically that same thing at a position that's already a little redundant at best for the Jays.

I haven’t looked into it is why I didn’t know but I wasn’t aware Blackmon was that brutal of an outfielder. If memory serves many here were clamouring for us to try and trade for him

 

[The Nemesis]

I haven’t looked into it is why I didn’t know but I wasn’t aware Blackmon was that brutal of an outfielder. If memory serves many here were clamouring for us to try and trade for him

Defensive stats are always a bit of a crapshoot, but by several #s it looks like he's just completely melted down in the last couple years, bottoming out in 2018 and rebounding a tiny bit last season. His steal totals have fallen off too, so I wonder if it's just a case of his athleticism is dwindling and with it goes his ability to make big defensive plays as he moves towards his mid-30s.

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Would jump at it, immediately.

 

[aingefan]

Would jump at it, immediately.

Seems the Reds care not for D (just their last signing :/ )

Seems a smart fit. Jays have some excesses.

 

[BlueForever75]

Seems the Reds care not for D (just their last signing :/ )

Seems a smart fit. Jays have some excesses.

Trade them one of our excess OF (Fisher, McKinney) and a pitching prospect not in our top 30 prospects. Should get it done.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Trade them one of our excess OF (Fisher, McKinney) and a pitching prospect not in our top 30 prospects. Should get it done.

If somebody offered you that package for Bo Bichette, what would your reaction be?

 

[aingefan]

Trade them one of our excess OF (Fisher, McKinney) and a pitching prospect not in our top 30 prospects. Should get it done.

I’m not great with baseball values, but that’s pretty lean.
The steak will need a lil sizzle.

 

[phillipmike]

they were rumored to be after Grandal or a catching upgrade before he signed with the White Sox.

Offer Jansen straight up for Senzel.

Or McGuire, Espinal and a pitching prospect.

 

[metafour]

Trade them one of our excess OF (Fisher, McKinney) and a pitching prospect not in our top 30 prospects. Should get it done.

Yeah, that'll definitely get it done for a 24 year old with years of control who was drafted 2nd overall just a few seasons ago.

 

[Discoverer]

Trade them one of our excess OF (Fisher, McKinney) and a pitching prospect not in our top 30 prospects. Should get it done.

This is some of your best work.

 

[BlueForever75]

This is some of your best work.

Sorry I didn't know this kid was that good.

 

[The Nic]

Saw this on the Sports Forecaster website a couple of days ago... but there's been nothing yet on any of the local media outlets. Gabriel Guerrero (OF) has apparently signed a minor league deal with the Blue Jays... including an invitation to spring training. Guerrero is seen as a "toolsy" outfielder... and he is also Vladdy Jr's cousin.

MLB Moves | The Sports Forecaster

 

[Discoverer]

Sorry I didn't know this kid was that good.

Just seems odd to make that specific a trade proposal without knowing about the player involved.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yes? No?

Blue Jays need to be all-in if Reds are shopping Nick Senzel
GM Ross Atkins recently appeared on “Tim and Sid” and spoke about the farm system and how it could sustain a trade involving prospects if the right fit presented itself. If I am the Jays, I would not include Nate Pearson and would prefer not to include Alek Manoah and Jordan Groshans.
However, I could see an initial offer of Simeon Woods Richardson, Alejandro Kirk and Griffin Conine potentially getting the two sides to the table and at least discussing Senzel. The Blue Jays also have a plethora of young minor league talent in the lower levels.

 

[landy92mack29]

Yeah the Jays should be all over Senzel who I think was ranked the 4th best prospect entering last year behind Vlad/Tatis/Jimenez IIRC. Reds seem like they're in win now mode so I'd try Giles+McGuire with maybe a pitching prospect(any other than Pearson/SWR)

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Cant see the front office parting with the main piece of the Stroman deal when he really is just starting to gain value. There are plenty of options in the system to build a deal around. We have lots of depth at catcher and in the middle infield. Trade from there.

 

[trellaine201]

they were rumored to be after Grandal or a catching upgrade before he signed with the White Sox.

Offer Jansen straight up for Senzel.

Or McGuire, Espinal and a pitching prospect.

MAke the trade call please