Speculation: New Arena/Management Update

[Dirty Old Man]

I’ve come to accept the alignment.

Dallas played out of the Pacific for years.

The NHL has fought for us to stay in AZ for years.

My only concern in that division is Winnipeg and Colorado. But if we can hang with those guys, we can easily squeak into 3rd in that division moving forward. Excited to see new teams regularly and create a rivalry with Winnipeg

Thing is, as the conference has gone from 14 to 15, and now to 16 teams, I don't think it'll be that different. We used to see a few teams 3x yearly at home, with Vegas added I think this year we're down to 1 (Anaheim), but there are 9 teams we see twice, in both divisions. I imagine with the addition of Seattle what that will be is no teams 3x and 10 teams twice, including all 7 in the Central. But that's just a guess; I don't know how they'll really do it.

Of course, if we ever start making the playoffs with any regularity... whole nuther kettle of fish

 

[Jakey53]

While location does matter, I honestly don't think it's as important specifically to corporate involvement as many claim it is. Location helps the players and a certain segment of the fanbase. What's important to the corporate sector is who activates their involvement the best. If the team had been in Scottsdale but had still been working with Anthony LeBlanc, they'd have the same problem getting companies to invest. Ahron Cohen as the new CEO is a tremendously better and more capable administrator and marketer than anyone who has been in the position in the past 10 years, so that will help the franchise more than anything else in the near term.

What is going to help the franchise more than anything is the team winning, period. Corporations will invest with a winner. They are not going to spend money on a bad investment, and a losing team is as bad investment. You can do all the marketing, gimmicks you want, but if the team is not winning it's even hard to give tickets away. If we had been in the playoffs consistently for the last number of years we wouldn't even be talking about this. Any of this.

 

[Jakey53]

Friedman says the potential sale that has been talked about around here is believed to be true. Finally a big name reporting that it's most likely in the works (no offense, Pagnotta.) Daly also reiterates that moving to Houston has nothing to do with the potential "ease of access" if you will for a transition to the Houston area.

AB and the Yotes are part of a NHL Franchise. He doesn't have much say in the matter. It's the NHL BOG or what ever they are called has the final say. AB can voice his opinion, but that is about it.

 

[RABBIT]

AB and the Yotes are part of a NHL Franchise. He doesn't have much say in the matter. It's the NHL BOG or what ever they are called has the final say. AB can voice his opinion, but that is about it.

We don't have much pull in that situation, yes, but that's not what I took from this. I'm just psyched we have someone as credible as Friedman talking about the potential sale. Big props to @yotefan4life for calling it before anyone.

 

[Jakey53]

Am I the only one happy to see less Anaheim, LA, & San Jose?? Yawn

I think changing divisions is great. Winnipeg is a rivalry waiting to happen, Colorado is fast, young and could be another rivalry, and a team we are trying to emulate. Then you have Chicago, a original six team and their passionate and sometimes arrogant fans. I'm sure we will also see Edmonton and Calgary during the winter to keep the snowbirds happy. Nothing wrong with this. Might even help attract more fans.

 

[cobra427]

I think changing divisions is great. Winnipeg is a rivalry waiting to happen, Colorado is fast, young and could be another rivalry, and a team we are trying to emulate. Then you have Chicago, a original six team and their passionate and sometimes arrogant fans. I'm sure we will also see Edmonton and Calgary during the winter to keep the snowbirds happy. Nothing wrong with this. Might even help attract more fans.

I think it helps our attendance. I would bet there are more AZ transplants from the Midwest than California or western Canada.

 

[Murf]

Bettman wears black sneakers with his business suit.

 

[Lilhoody]

Bettman wears black sneakers with his business suit.

I saw that, tacky AF.

 

[Jamieh]

Bettman wears black sneakers with his business suit.

I'm thinking he has feet issues as he always wears sneakers.

 

[yotefan4life]

We don't have much pull in that situation, yes, but that's not what I took from this. I'm just psyched we have someone as credible as Friedman talking about the potential sale. Big props to @yotefan4life for calling it before anyone.

No worries!!! From what I have heard lately...no setbacks in the current course. Get your time in at the 101/202 casino AZ, it might not be around in the future!!!!

 

[RABBIT]

No worries!!! From what I have heard lately...no setbacks in the current course. Get your time in at the 101/202 casino AZ, it might not be around in the future!!!!

Great stuff!!!

 

[rt]

Bettman has been wearing sneakers with his suits for years.

 

[rt]

101 & 202 is a perfect spot.

 

[Grimes]

Bettman has been wearing sneakers with his suits for years.

Taking fashion tips from Jerry Seinfeld

 

[Jagged Ice]

No worries!!! From what I have heard lately...no setbacks in the current course. Get your time in at the 101/202 casino AZ, it might not be around in the future!!!!

That would be the best news ever but I don't believe a word of it. Houston has everything in place to take over. An owner, building and a shitload of corporate money along with a league drooling for this to happen. To me it's not a matter of if but when.

 

[MIGs Dog]

That would be the best news ever but I don't believe a word of it. Houston has everything in place to take over. An owner, building and a ****load of corporate money along with a league drooling for this to happen. To me it's not a matter of if but when.

As others have said, the league might prefer expansion for Houston as opposed to moving a team. Vegas paid $500 mil, Seattle is paying $650 mil. How much cash would the owners split for an expansion team in Houston? If you were an owner, why would moving the Coyotes be preferable to adding another team?

Teams move because the current market can't support them, not because another market looks more attractive. It can be argued that this is currently the case, but I think the league still wants to wait and see if a new ownership group and more profitable arena location emerges in the desert before abandoning ship.

Biggest U.S. media markets:

• New York (#1)
• Los Angeles (#2)
• Chicago (#3)
• Philadelphia (#4)
• Dallas-Fort Worth (#5)
• Washington, D.C. (#6)
• Houston (#7)
• San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#8)
• Boston (#9)
• Atlanta (#10)
• Tampa-St. Petersburg (#11)
• Phoenix (#12)
• Seattle-Tacoma (#13)

Yes, Houston is bigger, but Phoenix is no slouch. The NHL wants to remain if possible.

 

[XX]

As others have said, the league might prefer expansion for Houston as opposed to moving a team. Vegas paid $500 mil, Seattle is paying $650 mil. How much cash would the owners split for an expansion team in Houston? If you were an owner, why would moving the Coyotes be preferable to adding another team?

Because Houston has zero interest in paying the expansion fee, just like QC.

 

[Jamieh]

Because Houston has zero interest in paying the expansion fee, just like QC.

And the NHL has said expansion is done for the foreseeable future.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Because Houston has zero interest in paying the expansion fee, just like QC.

A negotiating tactic. Were I the prospective owners I would look to acquire an existing team before offering to pay an expansion fee, but it's not Houston's decision to move a team.

And the NHL has said expansion is done for the foreseeable future.

Sure. They've also said they want the Coyotes to remain in the valley.

 

[Jamieh]

A negotiating tactic. Were I the prospective owners I would look to acquire an existing team before offering to pay an expansion fee, but it's not Houston's decision to move a team.



Sure. They've also said they want the Coyotes to remain in the valley.

Can you present anything that counters the NHL wanting the Coyotes in the Valley?

 

[XX]

A negotiating tactic. Were I the prospective owners I would look to acquire an existing team before offering to pay an expansion fee, but it's not Houston's decision to move a team.

Sure. They've also said they want the Coyotes to remain in the valley.

Houston wants a team at the right price. They know the league views them as an equally or more desirable location than Phoenix. They are not going to suddenly cave and pay $650m. Houston is the #1 relocation standby, QC is the 2nd option. Both markets are taking very much a "hockey would be nice, at the right price" approach. There's been talk of Seattle paying the fee for years.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Can you present anything that counters the NHL wanting the Coyotes in the Valley?

“I think Andy Barroway’s made clear that he’s looking for a partner,” Daly said. “There’s been a lot of discussion around that, and I think he’s hopeful that something can happen in the near term. … I think the efforts there will be on getting a new arena. So we have some patience.”
12-3-2018
NHL deals with uncertain situations on eve of Seattle vote - 101Sports.com

 

[Jamieh]

“I think Andy Barroway’s made clear that he’s looking for a partner,” Daly said. “There’s been a lot of discussion around that, and I think he’s hopeful that something can happen in the near term. … I think the efforts there will be on getting a new arena. So we have some patience.”
12-3-2018
NHL deals with uncertain situations on eve of Seattle vote - 101Sports.com

That counters it??

 

[MIGs Dog]

That counters it??

What do you want me to counter? I asserted that the league wants the Coyotes to stay in the valley. 3 days ago Bill Daly said the league still wants it as well.

 

[Jamieh]

What do you want me to counter? I asserted that the league wants the Coyotes to stay in the valley. 3 days ago Bill Daly said the league still wants it as well.

Your first post to me alluded that you thought mine was incorrect as the NHL lies. Or why post to me?