FreshSeabass
Aho!
I'm sorry but anybody who thinks this team is going to turn around and trade Hamilton away is dreaming. Faulk is the most likely option to be moved. Hopefully for a decent prospect is personally what i would be happy with.
Necas and Fleury to Checkers--Bishop up
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I have no doubt that Hamilton is staying. Just saying what I would do, not what they will do.
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I don't really think we are going to move Hamilton but I agree that if we were actually pursuing Nylander that I would rather trade Hamilton than Pesce.
If we did move Hamilton then it would be Lindholm and Hanifin for Ferland, Nylander, and Fox. I'm pretty sure everyone would have been stoked about that possibility prior to the Calgary trade.
FreshSeabass
Aho!
I get you. i also think moving Pesce for Nylander is a deal we regret down the road so i have a hard time with that, but i also get you have to give to get talent at the same time. If they could get it done by starting with faulk and adding to it that would be ideal.
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This is doubly true since de Haan was signed in free agency. Basically de Haan made the defensive part of the blueline better while sacrificing Hanifin's offense. But Nylander and Ferland compared to Lindholm (though I still think we miss his versatility) would more than make up for the offense. Fox is lagniappe.
tarheelhockey
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Martin Necas Ready To Learn From AHL Stint - Charlotte Checkers Hockey - gocheckers.com
Necas to play with Poturalski and Kuokkanen, who have both been tearing it up so far.
No timeline mentioned, but he does refer to playing 5 games in 9 days. That stretch ends with a game on October 27th. Presumably they'll evaluate and make a decision around that time.
Necas to play with Poturalski and Kuokkanen, who have both been tearing it up so far.
No timeline mentioned, but he does refer to playing 5 games in 9 days. That stretch ends with a game on October 27th. Presumably they'll evaluate and make a decision around that time.
zman77
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Necas will come back stronger with more confidence.
He's learning that there are a lot of very good players in the Pros.
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He seems excited about the opportunity. I don't blame him, at his age, and skill level, I'd much rather play 18-20 minutes a night, then riding the bench the majority of the game in the NHL.
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At some point in the next 2-3 years I think the second scoring line is: Kuokkanen/Necas/Svechnikov. That could be really fun for years to come.
tarheelhockey
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Also, it's not like they're sending him to Hershey or Utica. Charlotte's a decent place to be a 19-year-old who's doing OK with money.
tarheelhockey
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I think that's realistic. I'm not sure about Kuokkanen's scoring upside, but he's clearly a future NHL player and the other two seem like they're almost can't-miss bets to be real threats at the NHL level.
Charlotte's going to be a fun team to watch this year.
zman77
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That line could work very well.
Seen Kuokkanen play around 60 games or so for the London Knights.
He's a very nifty play-maker with a good IQ in tight situations on the ice.
Sara has another article up on the Athletic about sending Necas and Fleury down to Charlotte:
Inside the transaction
Inside the transaction
bleedgreen
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Hopefully Necas will start learning when to use his speed and when to go at 75%. Speed doesn’t really kill the way we think it does, change of speed kills. Passing lanes and angles change too quick to go as fast as he does. That’s something that seemed evident watching the kid.
tarheelhockey
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For those who can’t read it:
- Original plan was to have Fleury and TVR rotate, but TVR has been the better player and Rod doesn’t want to mess with the PK group as they’re struggling to find cohesiveness.
- Necas just needs more ice time, and needs to get better away from the puck.
- Bishop got the call because the need is for a bottom-6 guy and Roy isn’t exactly that at this point. Also Bishop has played before with Zykov and McGinn, his new linemates.
- Darling is pretty close.
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This quote by Rod (mostly I assume re: rotating the player/scratcher) got me wondering:
"I didn’t feel right about taking guys out of the lineup just to put a guy in, either. If you’re playing well you should be able to stay in there."
It's probably a (good) dilemma (to have) how to rank guys and give precedence, when one guy has made it to the NHL roster and playing good enough to justify his stay up there, but some other guy is really lighting it up in the AHL. Which guy you choose to reward? Does/should the guy in NHL roster have some kind of "acquired privilege" (to quote the Finnish labor market parlance) against being sent down if his own playing doesn't warrant it? Or do the AHL guys *need* to have the motivator to see that the calls-up happen and it's all in his own hand, especially when there's more than one guy in AHL whose good playing is warranting a call up?
And right in the face of such considerations: There's the mention of Bishop being on his last year on ELC. It's hard not to be reminded of Zykov's call-up in the end of last season on his last ELC year. The bottom six/familiar linemates talk feel a bit of an excuse, and it may be more about takesy-looksy on the NHL-level and maybe an enticement for Bishop before re-signing negotiations. This year the later-season call-ups may all be deserved for guys expected to make a difference regarding the post-season plans.
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McGinn and TVR - the worst players so far. I don't know how exactly TVR 'has been the better player'
Vagrant
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ideally they sent necas down with the news that they'd allow him to go to the wjc in december unless they need him drastically in carolina. with zadina not playing with the wings, it's possible those two could help that team medal for the first time in a while.
necas was struggling with the system, but he was getting better and more instinctive as the games went on. the speed of the game was a little overwhelming for him. there were several plays where i noticed necas passing back to the defense awkwardly as opposed to bringing the puck up the ice. he didn't want to make mistakes in the neutral zone and wasn't asserting his reads. it looks confidence based to me, and charlotte should be great for that. he's going to get gobs of results on that line. unfortunately he didn't get the bounces early on this season or it might be a different story.
he needs a little more gamble in his game and to react quicker defensively. i was a little disappointed at where his defensive game was as compared to expectations. when you have kids like aho and svechnikov out there trusting their hands and weaving around, you can more easily see that their confidence is higher and they trust their game. you have to be pretty relaxed to see the entire ice and to make the best decision with the puck. when you have a low panic threshold, you slow the team down through the neutral zone and don't always spot the most obvious destination for the pass. missing windows to get pucks deep because of that slight hesitation. windows close a lot faster in the nhl than they do elsewhere and it has to come out fast whatever you do. sometimes when you see this it's because the player has no hockey sense. it was the thing that was observed with boychuk that caused me to feel pessimistic about his chances. this feels different to me though based on plays where quick decisions were required and how much better he played when he was making space with his skating. the mental jump can be just as challenging as the physical jump. the ahl will look half speed to him now and the results shouldn't take long.
necas was struggling with the system, but he was getting better and more instinctive as the games went on. the speed of the game was a little overwhelming for him. there were several plays where i noticed necas passing back to the defense awkwardly as opposed to bringing the puck up the ice. he didn't want to make mistakes in the neutral zone and wasn't asserting his reads. it looks confidence based to me, and charlotte should be great for that. he's going to get gobs of results on that line. unfortunately he didn't get the bounces early on this season or it might be a different story.
he needs a little more gamble in his game and to react quicker defensively. i was a little disappointed at where his defensive game was as compared to expectations. when you have kids like aho and svechnikov out there trusting their hands and weaving around, you can more easily see that their confidence is higher and they trust their game. you have to be pretty relaxed to see the entire ice and to make the best decision with the puck. when you have a low panic threshold, you slow the team down through the neutral zone and don't always spot the most obvious destination for the pass. missing windows to get pucks deep because of that slight hesitation. windows close a lot faster in the nhl than they do elsewhere and it has to come out fast whatever you do. sometimes when you see this it's because the player has no hockey sense. it was the thing that was observed with boychuk that caused me to feel pessimistic about his chances. this feels different to me though based on plays where quick decisions were required and how much better he played when he was making space with his skating. the mental jump can be just as challenging as the physical jump. the ahl will look half speed to him now and the results shouldn't take long.
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DaveG
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Obviously we don't see what's happening with practice but yeah, at least based on gameplay? not buying it. Fleury was miles better against Vancouver than TVR was in any game this season though he has had a couple good ones. Still think like Bleed does on this one, there's a showcase going on, whether that's Faulk or TVR is the question.
Don't disagree with the other 2 points at all, and good to hear Darling's going to be back soon, we need him (I can't believe I just typed that)
tarheelhockey
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FTR, here are Sara Civian’s exact words on the matter:
Plan A was more of a rotation of Haydn Fleury and Trevor van Riemsdyk on the third pairing, but we’re learning “I’m not gonna do something just to do it” is a core pillar of Brind’Amourism, and van Riemsdyk kept earning his stay. He’s averaged 16:13 TOI with an assist, six blocks, five hits, seven shots on goal, and a plus-one rating through his six games. He has spent a total of 9:03 on the penalty kill, a work in progress Brind’Amour is trying to build on.
Obviously this was not a good moment for a tired group of Canes, but in terms of van Riemsdyk, it immediately came to mind as the kind of awareness Brind’Amour might want to keep around to help fix special teams: [vid of the CDH whiff against Tampa]
Plan A was more of a rotation of Haydn Fleury and Trevor van Riemsdyk on the third pairing, but we’re learning “I’m not gonna do something just to do it” is a core pillar of Brind’Amourism, and van Riemsdyk kept earning his stay. He’s averaged 16:13 TOI with an assist, six blocks, five hits, seven shots on goal, and a plus-one rating through his six games. He has spent a total of 9:03 on the penalty kill, a work in progress Brind’Amour is trying to build on.
Obviously this was not a good moment for a tired group of Canes, but in terms of van Riemsdyk, it immediately came to mind as the kind of awareness Brind’Amour might want to keep around to help fix special teams: [vid of the CDH whiff against Tampa]
I think it's less of a showcase and more "7 defensemen, not fair to keep any of the 7 in the press box, and one of the last 2 isn't waiver eligible"
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