Necas and Fleury to Checkers--Bishop up

[CanesFanBudMan]

My question is why didn't they call up a #7 D?

 

[Breakdowns]

Maybe they will call up Cajkovsky as a 7th D?

 

[SlavinAway]

I would be ok with Cajkovsky as our 7th and I was impressed with Bishop in the pre-season. If he can play like that and help the PK he will do fine on the 4th line.

Let Necas, Fleury, Roy, and Kuokkanen get big minutes in CLT.

Random question: If PDG isn't claimed do the Canes have to send him down? If they keep him up and want to send him down later would he need to clear waivers again?

 

[MinJaBen]

I'm a huge fan of Necas, but this is absolutely the right move...and while I'm sure many of you think it came a bit late, I think it's a positive that they gave him 7 games to try to sort it out for himself. And really, it's fortunate for Necas to have gotten his first NHL goal in his last game, so he didn't have to carry that burden down with him.

Speaking of burden, and pulling an observation completely out of my ass, it appears to me that Necas is gripping the proverbial stick too tight. He's worked so hard to get to this point, placed so much importance on being ready for the big club, and likely felt the pressure of being on the same level as Svechnikov, it just doesn't look like he's having fun out there. I am thinking of his last goal and one in preseason, and in both cases his facial expression looked more like relief than joy. It just doesn't look like he's letting the game come to him...he looks tense and rushed. Maybe his brain is spinning through too many "which play is the right play to make...should I do this or should I do that" scenarios while he's playing...who knows.

Anyway, I'm hoping he can find some fun in his game while he's in CLT. It seems Vellucci is a good developmental coach...maybe he can help.

I can't agree with this more. This is exactly my thoughts on the situation. Hopefully, he is given some prime time and linemates in Charlotte and gets up to speed soon.

 

[geehaad]

Random question: If PDG isn't claimed do the Canes have to send him down? If they keep him up and want to send him down later would he need to clear waivers again?

They can keep him with the big club, yes. I think after 30 days he would need to clear waivers again to be sent down.

And I'm sure they will bring a defenseman up to sit in the press box by Saturday.

 

[Ole Gil]

Waiving PDG might just be a favor to PDG. See if someone else in the league will give him some playing time.

 

[tarheelhockey]

My question is why didn't they call up a #7 D?

This is why I'm thinking the transaction might have to do with giving Necas and Fleury a couple of games in Charlotte (Friday and Saturday) and then bringing them back.

The Canes aren't traveling at all this week and their only game is early Saturday afternoon. If the intent is for Necas and Fleury to sit that game out, then they end up just bumming around Raleigh and maybe having an hour or two of non-gameday practice with the Canes over a span of 5 days. Coming off a stretch of games where they barely touched the ice, that's really not helping them or the team.

Perhaps the idea here is that they go to Charlotte to burn their legs a bit, stay sharp, maybe pick up a couple of points to feel good about. Then just fly to Detroit on Sunday to rejoin the Canes. If that's the case, there's really no need to call up a 7th defenseman just to have him sit in the press box for one game. They can Bishop get a little taste of the NHL and let him rejoin the Checkers as the Canes head out of town.

That makes more sense to me than what this appears to be at face value.

 

[DaveG]

Waiving PDG might just be a favor to PDG. See if someone else in the league will give him some playing time.

Waiving a player is also often a precursor to a trade if there are no waiver claims, though I don't see it quite this early in the season.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Waiving a player is also often a precursor to a trade if there are no waiver claims, though I don't see it quite this early in the season.

Usually that's with bigger money guys though...place them on waivers and hope someone claims them. If not, retain on them in a trade. I can't see a reason someone who wants PDG wouldn't claim him from waivers instead of then working out a trade after. Unless it's so they can send him down after the trade without having to worry about him clearing waivers?

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

I also don't get why Fleury is the #7 rather than the #6. In his one game he looked better than TVR (at least TVR on the left side). Its not like we have TVR playing over Fleury for his offense - and when TVR has not been next to Pesce he has not been too good defensively.

Plus Minus is a bad stat, but based on how much they have played together it says something when 57 is +1 on the season and 22 is +6.

HCRB has done a pretty good job of basing ice time etc. on accountability, but in this case Fleury deserved another game after Vancouver.

 

[DaveG]

Usually that's with bigger money guys though...place them on waivers and hope someone claims them. If not, retain on them in a trade. I can't see a reason someone who wants PDG wouldn't claim him from waivers instead of then working out a trade after. Unless it's so they can send him down after the trade without having to worry about him clearing waivers?

That's the exact reasoning on some of these low-money guys being put on waivers beforehand.

 

[A Star is Burns]

This is why I'm thinking the transaction might have to do with giving Necas and Fleury a couple of games in Charlotte (Friday and Saturday) and then bringing them back.

The Canes aren't traveling at all this week and their only game is early Saturday afternoon. If the intent is for Necas and Fleury to sit that game out, then they end up just bumming around Raleigh and maybe having an hour or two of non-gameday practice with the Canes over a span of 5 days. Coming off a stretch of games where they barely touched the ice, that's really not helping them or the team.

Perhaps the idea here is that they go to Charlotte to burn their legs a bit, stay sharp, maybe pick up a couple of points to feel good about. Then just fly to Detroit on Sunday to rejoin the Canes. If that's the case, there's really no need to call up a 7th defenseman just to have him sit in the press box for one game. They can Bishop get a little taste of the NHL and let him rejoin the Checkers as the Canes head out of town.

That makes more sense to me than what this appears to be at face value.

I like where your head is at.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Why on earth did pdg get a one way deal? Didn’t understand it then and still don’t now. He’s a guy you can replace in free agency every summer without issue.

 

[Canes]

Why on earth did pdg get a one way deal? Didn’t understand it then and still don’t now. He’s a guy you can replace in free agency every summer without issue.

I'm guessing Waddell thought he still had some potential to give. But to be fair, it seems like he's quickly admitting he was wrong by waiving him 2 weeks into the season.

 

[DaveG]

Why on earth did pdg get a one way deal? Didn’t understand it then and still don’t now. He’s a guy you can replace in free agency every summer without issue.

Had a strong finish to last season after being completely meh the other games he was in for, that's about it.

 

[izzy]

id think someone would wanna try pdg but maybe would rather trade another contract with a late pick than claim him

 

[DaveG]

id think someone would wanna try pdg but maybe would rather trade another contract with a late pick than claim him

That's my thought. Not sure who else might be out there that could be bouncing around as a #13 type but I could easily see PDG for an older #13 type and a 7th or something like that.

 

[izzy]

That's my thought. Not sure who else might be out there that could be bouncing around as a #13 type but I could easily see PDG for an older #13 type and a 7th or something like that.

maybe even an extra dman on a 1 year w fleury sent down

 

[Lempo]

This is why I'm thinking the transaction might have to do with giving Necas and Fleury a couple of games in Charlotte (Friday and Saturday) and then bringing them back.

The Canes aren't traveling at all this week and their only game is early Saturday afternoon. If the intent is for Necas and Fleury to sit that game out, then they end up just bumming around Raleigh and maybe having an hour or two of non-gameday practice with the Canes over a span of 5 days. Coming off a stretch of games where they barely touched the ice, that's really not helping them or the team.

Perhaps the idea here is that they go to Charlotte to burn their legs a bit, stay sharp, maybe pick up a couple of points to feel good about. Then just fly to Detroit on Sunday to rejoin the Canes. If that's the case, there's really no need to call up a 7th defenseman just to have him sit in the press box for one game. They can Bishop get a little taste of the NHL and let him rejoin the Checkers as the Canes head out of town.

That makes more sense to me than what this appears to be at face value.

I might be a slight bit indignant over being put on the AHL salary for a couple of days to work instead of having a couple of days off on the NHL salary.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Why on earth did pdg get a one way deal? Didn’t understand it then and still don’t now. He’s a guy you can replace in free agency every summer without issue.

It’s easier said than done to replace a player on FA for $750K, unless you’re taking a risk that said player turns out to truly be AHL-level garbage (like Tom Sestito level garbage). PDG isn’t good, but he’s ordinary for the kind of minimum-contract, AAAA player he represents. His skill set (a homeless man’s Foegele) is about right for his role, and he is the kind of player who makes coaches happier than fans.

The dollar figure on his contract is actually $10K less than his qualifying offer would have been, so he’s not overpaid. The 1-way element was a gamble that the organization lost, and the penalty is having to still pay him NHL money while he’s out of the NHL lineup.

It’s not a big deal, really. He was the safe option which kept us from having to gamble on someone who was already let go by their prior organization. In turn we gambled a small amount of money on him being good enough to stick in Raleigh.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I might be a slight bit indignant over being put on the AHL salary for a couple of days to work instead of having a couple of days off on the NHL salary.

There’s an easy solution to that, says the old school coach.

 

[bleedgreen]

I also don't get why Fleury is the #7 rather than the #6. In his one game he looked better than TVR (at least TVR on the left side). Its not like we have TVR playing over Fleury for his offense - and when TVR has not been next to Pesce he has not been too good defensively.

Plus Minus is a bad stat, but based on how much they have played together it says something when 57 is +1 on the season and 22 is +6.

HCRB has done a pretty good job of basing ice time etc. on accountability, but in this case Fleury deserved another game after Vancouver.

While I don’t think there’s anything pending I think they’re showcasing the defense. Faulk is still being featured on the pp despite the presence of Hamilton, and is playing a lot more than you would’ve expected after last year while Pesce moves down the pairings a bit despite being pretty awesome.

I’m sure they wanted Faulk’s value improved over what it was in the summer, though I suppose it’s possible any of the RD’s are available.

 

[SlavinAway]

Something will happen with the RHDs sooner than later. Not only do we have a logjam now but they will never be able to get Fox signed otherwise.

 

[MinJaBen]

If we really are serious about trying to get Nylander for one of our RHD, I'd seriously prefer to move Hamilton...even if we just got him. He likely has more trade value just on past performance and 'brand', he is the most expensive, his contract is up in less than three years, and his fit so far has been nothing spectacular (not bad either, but nothing you can't live without). If he were gone, then we have Pesce, Faulk and TvR for two years. After two years, we likely lose either Faulk or TvR or both, but that fits well with Fox coming in after his college is over with room to play him, plus we have McKeown or Martin or Fura available for 3rd pairing RHD, or resign TvR who won't be too expensive. Keeping Hamilton over Pesce is the "sexier" play, but he will be much more expensive in 3 years and may not be providing better results.

 

[SlavinAway]

If we really are serious about trying to get Nylander for one of our RHD, I'd seriously prefer to move Hamilton...even if we just got him. He likely has more trade value just on past performance and 'brand', he is the most expensive, his contract is up in less than three years, and his fit so far has been nothing spectacular (not bad either, but nothing you can't live without). If he were gone, then we have Pesce, Faulk and TvR for two years. After two years, we likely lose either Faulk or TvR or both, but that fits well with Fox coming in after his college is over with room to play him, plus we have McKeown or Martin or Fura available for 3rd pairing RHD, or resign TvR who won't be too expensive. Keeping Hamilton over Pesce is the "sexier" play, but he will be much more expensive in 3 years and may not be providing better results.

This!