Confirmed with Link: Nate Thompson & 5th round pick 2019 traded to MTL for 4th round pick 2019

[Kriss E]

7 years ago it was a different NHL. Habs had four very good seasons in those six.

No it wasn't. The league has been moving in that direction for a while, and we had players that also better fit that mold back then. We had more agile and quick players who could move the puck well, hence, all the hate on Therrien and how he underutilized his roster by trying to make them play a stupid old dump and chase style. Bergevin obliged and made the team worse.

Always some slower learners though..

 

[bleuetbio]

SChlemko was not slow. Just bad. And very often injured. + That guy did not want to play for Montreal at all.

Schlemko was just a trap. SJ were realy full of good dmen that Vegas could claimed. Vegas has fallen in the trap and we did after. Somewhere, a lot of people were wrong and misjudged David. We can blame Bergevin about that one, but he wasnt alone in the boat.

 

[1909]

Put Niemi up front and make him only skate backwards, he'd be better than Chaput. That doesn't mean much.

Is that a joke ? Come on !

 

[Kriss E]

Is that a joke ? Come on !

You think I was being literal?
Point is being better than an AHL caliber player means very little.

 

[Runner77]

Schlemko was just a trap. SJ were realy full of good dmen that Vegas could claimed. Vegas has fallen in the trap and we did after. Somewhere, a lot of people were wrong and misjudged David. We can blame Bergevin about that one, but he wasnt alone in the boat.

I don't know about that.

MB is supposed to be a great evaluator of talent. In Schlemko, he was dealing with a known quantity not just some raw prospect.

MB went so far as to affirm that Schlemko would be a first pairing D partner for Weber. Schlemko was part of that D that he claimed was "better than last year".

I think he flubbed on Schlemko in terms of his evaluation. Luckily, he did not overpay for him.

On to the next project.

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

Ça se peut pas, je refuse.

 

[Habaneros]

Wowzer...9 goals. Solid

We got Weise back to do what Pacman67 couldn't do in the playoffs in a Habs jersey

 

[Redux91]

According to this, Thompson is only incrementally better than Shampoo on faceoff percentage. Good thing there are other aspects to Thompson's game.

Well, first off 53 and 50 is a a bit bigger than incrementally when it comes to face off% lol, and secondly, we cant JUST go off that %, especially since people take WAY more face offs than others, most notably someone like Philip Danault, whos 53% might place him lower than some, but if you look here :
2018-19 NHL Hockey Stats and League Leaders - Faceoffs - National Hockey League - ESPN

You'll notice Danault is among top 5 most face offs taken in the NHL with 1113, and has won a LOT of them, where as someone like Chaput has taken only 244.. 124 wins..120 loss..

Thompson clocks in with 495 face offs taken, 264 wins at 53%
Nate Thompson Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
career shows hes been nothing but solid on the dot

 

[Runner77]

Thompson clocks in with 495 face offs taken, 264 wins at 53%
Nate Thompson Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
career shows hes been nothing but solid on the dot

I guess they should have added an asterisk on that graphic.

This is key for me, from your post -- Thompson's track record and how his success in the faceoff circle is legit.

 

[No More Subban]

I'm just glad Chaput and Agostino are gone. I couldn't stand them.

 

[Agalloch]

This year's moves looks like 2015's.

Torrey Mitchell (4th line center) for a 7th round pick and Jack Nevins is comparable to Nate Thompson for 15 ranks of the draft.

Bryan Flynn for a 5th round pick = Weise for Schlemko (I prefer this year's trade).

Now we need our Jeff Petry....

 

[Kriss E]

This year's moves looks like 2015's.

Torrey Mitchell (4th line center) for a 7th round pick and Jack Nevins is comparable to Nate Thompson for 15 ranks of the draft.

Bryan Flynn for a 5th round pick = Weise for Schlemko (I prefer this year's trade).

Now we need our Jeff Petry....

Let's repeat what we've done when we were outclassed and kicked out of the 2nd round...

Sadly the Petry of this year was moved to Toronto. Our best bet is for Columbus to drop outside the POs and move Panarin to us. Outside of that...not sure anything else will matter.

 

[CoopersFalls]

SChlemko was not slow. Just bad. And very often injured. + That guy did not want to play for Montreal at all.

I respectfully disagree. Schlemko didn’t used to be slow, but he most definitely is now. Not the same since his injury.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The fourth line is much better today than three days ago.

We could have beat TO with Byron, Thompson and Weise last saturday.

 

[Habby4Life]

We could have beat TO with Byron, Thompson and Weise last saturday.

I agree. He made the 4th much better.the people complaining are clueless

 

[1909]

Nowadays, a good 4th line is required to have in this fast pace new NHL. These guys play around 10 minutes instead of the old goons line which we playing less than 8 min. per game.

 

[Runner77]

Since the team is built on speed, I'd be curious to know how much of it was lost, if any, with the replacement of Chaput and Agostino by Thompson and Weise?

I totally understand that Thompson and Weise bring other elements that Chaput and Agostino don't have or didn't show regularly.

Just on the basis of speed -- are the Habs a tad slower on their 4th line? Just focusing on those 2 players and not who else may end up playing with them once Byron returns.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Since the team is built on speed, I'd be curious to know how much of it was lost, if any, with the replacement of Chaput and Agostino by Thompson and Weise?

I totally understand that Thompson and Weise bring other elements that Chaput and Agostino don't have or didn't show regularly.

Just on the basis of speed -- are the Habs a tad slower on their 4th line? Just focusing on those 2 players and not who else may end up playing with them once Byron returns.

I'd say it's either equal or we've gained a little, since Weise is actually pretty fast. Neither Chaput nor Agostino were better than average in that department. And unless he's really lost a step since I last saw him, Thompson is perfectly average skating wise.

 

[Archijerej]

I don't know about that.

MB is supposed to be a great evaluator of talent. In Schlemko, he was dealing with a known quantity not just some raw prospect.

MB went so far as to affirm that Schlemko would be a first pairing D partner for Weber. Schlemko was part of that D that he claimed was "better than last year".

I think he flubbed on Schlemko in terms of his evaluation. Luckily, he did not overpay for him.

On to the next project.

To be fair, there was a general opinion that Schlemko was a good player. He was part of what was considered by the Sharks fans as one of the best third pairings in the NHL. And he could skate back then.

 

[Runner77]

To be fair, there was a general opinion that Schlemko was a good player. He was part of what was considered by the Sharks fans as one of the best third pairings in the NHL. And he could skate back then.

To be even more fair, however, MB continued to make an exaggerated positive evaluation of Schlemko, after acquiring him. He said he would be a first pairing D and Schlemko did not have that kind of track record. He doubled down by saying that the D was better than the year before, with Schlemko being a key part of it in his estimation. Even if one argues that there Schlemko was positively viewed by some when he was acquired, the fact remains that even after Schlemko did nothing to play at those lofty anticipated levels, MB kept propping him.

 

[Kimota]

King, Ott and Martinsen were not good deadline deals, we got the boot first round. We needed scoring, we got scrubs. Alzner and Shlemko were not good moves. Agostino and Chaput were busts. Montreals scouting staff in the west is among the worst in the league, Crawford should have been canned years ago.

Speaking of Martinsen, the first game he played was against the Rangers he was hitting everything that moved, it was a beauty to behold. And then for whatever reasons it just stopped. This is a bigger mystery than the existance of the UFOs. I don't know if he they told him to stop hitting whatever but it was strange.

 

[Habs]

Speaking of Martinsen, the first game he played was against the Rangers he was hitting everything that moved, it was a beauty to behold. And then for whatever reasons it just stopped. This is a bigger mystery than the existance of the UFOs. I don't know if he they told him to stop hitting whatever but it was strange.

I think that sums up his pro career, like Renee Bourque. They refuse to do the things that make them impactful players.

 

[donghabs98]

Speaking of Martinsen, the first game he played was against the Rangers he was hitting everything that moved, it was a beauty to behold. And then for whatever reasons it just stopped. This is a bigger mystery than the existance of the UFOs. I don't know if he they told him to stop hitting whatever but it was strange.

You would think the Habs were getting a real energy guy when watching Martinsen in his first game. It truly baffles me that he stopped that style afterwards. That rangers game was quite misleading through. Martinsen looked good, Ott looked like he could handle his 4th line role and King didnt look useless. It looked like we had the making of a physical team who could score enough to just win games.

Of course the playoffs hit and things hit the fan.

 

[angusyoung]

Nate Thompson is better overall than Chaput. Why so much crying about his acquisition ?

Just guessing that those nay Sayers were hoping for a blockbuster involving Price and Weber to Nashville for Rinne and Subban.

 

[1909]

Just guessing that those nay Sayers were hoping for a blockbuster involving Price and Weber to Nashville for Rinne and Subban.

... and Shaw for Eller... And Drouin for Sergachev....