Confirmed with Link: Nate Thompson & 5th round pick 2019 traded to MTL for 4th round pick 2019

[26Mats]

King, Ott and Martinsen were not good deadline deals, we got the boot first round. We needed scoring, we got scrubs. Alzner and Shlemko were not good moves. Agostino and Chaput were busts. Montreals scouting staff in the west is among the worst in the league, Crawford should have been canned years ago.

I would argue Agostino and Chaput were good AHL/depth signings.

The good news is MB has radically changed what he's looking for as a result of signing the old and slow Alzner and Schlemko: he went from that to building one of the youngest and fastest teams in the league. Before these depth moves for the playoffs, Tatar, at 28, was our oldest forward and 4 of our top 7 D are just breaking into the league (Mete, Juulsen, Reilly, and Kulak.)

We can hate MB for his past moves. But he's not thinking the same way now, as when he made those moves.

 

[1909]

King, Ott and Martinsen were not good deadline deals, we got the boot first round. We needed scoring, we got scrubs. Alzner and Shlemko were not good moves. Agostino and Chaput were busts. Montreals scouting staff in the west is among the worst in the league, Crawford should have been canned years ago.

Dudley was part of that too.

 

[1909]

I would argue Agostino and Chaput were good AHL/depth signings.

The good news is MB has radically changed what he's looking for as a result of signing the old and slow Alzner and Schlemko.

SChlemko was not slow. Just bad. And very often injured. + That guy did not want to play for Montreal at all.

 

[26Mats]

SChlemko was not slow. Just bad. And very often injured. + That guy did not want to play for Montreal at all.

He was really slow in making decisions and executing. He didn't play fast or think the game fast.

 

[Habby4Life]

Possibly. But we have to see it on ice. It will take time for Weise, Thompson and DELo (or Hudon or Peca) to click together.

Just the physicality makes it better already

 

[Runner77]

King, Ott and Martinsen were not good deadline deals, we got the boot first round. We needed scoring, we got scrubs. Alzner and Shlemko were not good moves. Agostino and Chaput were busts. Montreals scouting staff in the west is among the worst in the league, Crawford should have been canned years ago.

Bergevin paid less for his Weise, Frolin, Thompson additions than he did for his 2017 TDL acquisitions.

Martinsen and Ott were added in straightforward transactions, with the Habs sending Sven Andrighetto to Colorado, and a 2018 sixth-round pick to Detroit to acquire their services.

The addition of Dwight King came at the expense of a 2018 fourth-round pick, with two conditions attached that could turn it into a third-rounder. (conditions did not materialize)

Agreed on Crawford, he doesn't own a trustworthy record. At least the new guys added recently are not pylons like Ott and King were.

 

[MXD]

Bergevin paid less for his Weise, Frolin, Thompson additions than he did for his 2017 TDL acquisitions.

Martinsen and Ott were added in straightforward transactions, with the Habs sending Sven Andrighetto to Colorado, and a 2018 sixth-round pick to Detroit to acquire their services.

The addition of Dwight King came at the expense of a 2018 fourth-round pick, with two conditions attached that could turn it into a third-rounder. (conditions did not materialize)

Agreed on Crawford, he doesn't own a trustworthy record. At least the new guys added recently are not pylons like Ott and King were.

To be honest.... Thompson is pretty much Ott's equivalent.
That 2017 playoff squad had issues, but Steve Ott wasn't one of them, in that he actually did what he was supposed to do.

 

[26Mats]

Bergevin paid less for his Weise, Frolin, Thompson additions than he did for his 2017 TDL acquisitions.

Martinsen and Ott were added in straightforward transactions, with the Habs sending Sven Andrighetto to Colorado, and a 2018 sixth-round pick to Detroit to acquire their services.

The addition of Dwight King came at the expense of a 2018 fourth-round pick, with two conditions attached that could turn it into a third-rounder. (conditions did not materialize)

Agreed on Crawford, he doesn't own a trustworthy record. At least the new guys added recently are not pylons like Ott and King were.

Some people are haunted by past bad moves (Martinsen, King, Alzner, Schlemko) that they can't look at new moves objectively or accept that MB no longer looks for slow players and acutually has reformed the team as one of the fastest in the league.

 

[Runner77]

To be honest.... Thompson is pretty much Ott's equivalent.
That 2017 playoff squad had issues, but Steve Ott wasn't one of them, in that he actually did what he was supposed to do.

Ott was a 4th liner like Thompson but I don't remember Ott as an agile skater. Thompson from what I've heard today, still has wheels.

 

[Runner77]

Some people are haunted by past bad moves (Martinsen, King, Alzner, Schlemko) that they can't look at new moves objectively or accept that MB no longer looks for slow players and acutually has reformed the team as one of the fastest in the league.

One doesn't even have to be objective to realize that the current acquisitions are not pylons.

 

[OnTheRun]

Except it's not the number of faceoff that matters, it's that he can be relied upon on critical moments of a game when a key faceoff needs to be taken. I think Julien is more likely to trust Thompson as a veteran than he did Chaput in such situations.

It's always about the number, since you only have a finite number of occurrence.

How many critical moment do you have in a game? And of many of those should be handled by your 4th line? Not a whole lot.
Since the occurrence is rare, you are back to how there is a very small effective difference between something considered very good (60%) and something considered sub-par (45%).

 

[Cole Caulifield]

This is a bogus argument anyways.

He will take 9 faceoffs per game in average. Over 9 faceoffs the difference between 60% and 45% is ONE FoW/FoL. Neutral zone faceoffs are not a do or die matter either, which further diminish the value of the faceoffs argument.

Good faceoff men make sure to save their best moves for the D zone so it's not 50-50 in all 3 zones. Thompson has a hugely lopsided defensive zone starts stat. He's managed to be in the pluses despite playing with garbage on a garbage team in garbage situations.

That sounds like exactly what we were missing considering we had a mixture of Chaput, Peca, Plekanec centering our 4th line all year....

 

[Runner77]

It's always about the number, since you only have a finite number of occurrence.

How many critical moment do you have in a game? And of many of those should be handled by your 4th line? Not a whole lot.
Since the occurrence is rare, you are back to how there is a very small effective difference between something considered very good (60%) and something considered sub-par (45%).

You can justify it from a statistical standpoint however, fact remains that an old school coach like Julien will trust someone like Thompson more than he did Chaput -- I wasn't comparing Thompson to someone who plays more minutes on other lines.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

One doesn't even have to be objective to realize that the current acquisitions are not pylons.

I like the intention behind these moves. It's what Bergevin should be doing. The 4th line sucked, and we had to upgrade it ... but not at any cost. It's an easy fix and it was a cheap cost... and we got the quality we paid for... we weren't going to get Boyle for a 4th/5th swap. If our 4th line could have an overall net impact of zero that would already be an upgrade over what we currently have.

 

[Adam Michaels]

King, Ott and Martinsen were not good deadline deals, we got the boot first round. We needed scoring, we got scrubs. Alzner and Shlemko were not good moves. Agostino and Chaput were busts. Montreals scouting staff in the west is among the worst in the league, Crawford should have been canned years ago.

I'm sorry, but Ott was a good addition because we got this:

and this:

So for those alone, it was worth the 6th Round Pick.

 

[OnTheRun]

Good faceoff men make sure to save their best moves for the D zone so it's not 50-50 in all 3 zones. Thompson has a hugely lopsided defensive zone starts stat. He's managed to be in the pluses despite playing with garbage on a garbage team in garbage situations.

That sounds like exactly what we were missing considering we had a mixture of Chaput, Peca, Plekanec centering our 4th line all year....

Thompson Dzone FO%: 54% (All situation), 49.2% (Shorthanded) [Let's just point out that he average 1 defensive zone faceoff per game on the PK here, because occurrence matter.] All in all, he averaged 4.8 defensive FO per game. Note: Kopitar is doing the heavy lifting in LA when it come to Dzone faceoffs, any situation.

So everything is pretty much in line with his overall FO% (53.1).

 

[Kriss E]

Our 4th line of Agostino - Chaput - Deslaurier had 4 goals combined.

Thompson has 4 goals this year
Weise has 5 goals

So hopefully our 4th line will chip in more offensively now

Wowzer...9 goals. Solid

 

[1909]

Nate Thompson is better overall than Chaput. Why so much crying about his acquisition ?

 

[Adamcrazy3]

bargain bin strikes again.. hope this means chapute is on his way back to laval

 

[Runner77]

Wowzer...9 goals. Solid

Adam Michaels called it. He predicted how you'd find it all to be a bunch of ...

 

[Kriss E]

I would argue Agostino and Chaput were good AHL/depth signings.

The good news is MB has radically changed what he's looking for as a result of signing the old and slow Alzner and Schlemko: he went from that to building one of the youngest and fastest teams in the league. Before these depth moves for the playoffs, Tatar, at 28, was our oldest forward and 4 of our top 7 D are just breaking into the league (Mete, Juulsen, Reilly, and Kulak.)

We can hate MB for his past moves. But he's not thinking the same way now, as when he made those moves.

Really cool he's caught on to the NHL 7 years later.

You have no idea what Bergevin is actually thinking, that's is the only thing clear about this guy. He's all over the map.

 

[1909]

bargain bin strikes again.. hope this means chapute is on his way back to laval

He's already on waivers.

And the Bargain Bin nickname is getting old. MB acquired Weber, Drouin, Tatar, Suzuki, Domi among many other good players.

 

[Kriss E]

Adam Michaels called it. He predicted how you'd find it all to be a bunch of ...

Yup!..Probably because he believes it too..

 

[1909]

Really cool he's caught on to the NHL 7 years later.

You have no idea what Bergevin is actually thinking, that's is the only thing clear about this guy. He's all over the map.

7 years ago it was a different NHL. Habs had four very good seasons in those six.

 

[Kriss E]

Nate Thompson is better overall than Chaput. Why so much crying about his acquisition ?

Put Niemi up front and make him only skate backwards, he'd be better than Chaput. That doesn't mean much.