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Schmidt at $6m with term probably lowered his trade value...Schmidt is also signed with term. Copp is one year away from UFA. His value is rental at best right now.
Schmidt at $6m with term probably lowered his trade value...Schmidt is also signed with term. Copp is one year away from UFA. His value is rental at best right now.
Even if Beaulieuf slots in and Stanley sits...?For me I'll hold back on any real criticisms of Maurice until he grossly underachieves the talent level he has to work with. This has yet to happen. More often than not his teams in the Jets organization have surpassed the talent level Chevy has assembled. IMO way too many fans get caught up in micro decisions more so than actual outcomes. This season we now have a major upgrade on defense and the bar will be adjusted higher. And I will judge Maurice with a higher bar. What I won't do is scream bloody murder if he makes a lineup decision I don't like.
For me I'll hold back on any real criticisms of Maurice until he grossly underachieves the talent level he has to work with. This has yet to happen. More often than not his teams in the Jets organization have surpassed the talent level Chevy has assembled. IMO way too many fans get caught up in micro decisions more so than actual outcomes. This season we now have a major upgrade on defense and the bar will be adjusted higher. And I will judge Maurice with a higher bar. What I won't do is scream bloody murder if he makes a lineup decision I don't like.
No, because I won't have the full information to make an informed judgement. I never complain about day to day roster decisions. IMO it is just a fools game to complain about something when you don't have the information necessary. Sorry, but while I'm retired now, I spent the last decade of my career in senior management and saw far too many people complain away on matters they knew nothing about totally oblivious to the actual facts that lead to the decision.Even if Beaulieuf slots in and Stanley sits...?
Rentals with Copps resume still fetch a pretty penny. Not sure that’s the best argument to make tbh.Schmidt is also signed with term. Copp is one year away from UFA. His value is rental at best right now.
Rentals value is usually in a pick and prospects which is pretty much what I expect for Copp.Rentals with Copps resume still fetch a pretty penny. Not sure that’s the best argument to make tbh.
Rentals are usually more valued at the trade deadline, because that's when contending teams are able to absorb their cap hit. If Copp's salary comes in around 4.5-5.0M, there won't be very many teams that will have enthusiasm to take him on for one year. Contending teams won't have the cap space, and non-contending teams don't want a 1-year player.Rentals value is usually in a pick and prospects which is pretty much what I expect for Copp.
More and more I'm seeing Copp as a problem that needs to be solved. Especially as I think he won't play the team friendly game and just work his way to UFA status.Rentals are usually more valued at the trade deadline, because that's when contending teams are able to absorb their cap hit. If Copp's salary comes in around 4.5-5.0M, there won't be very many teams that will have enthusiasm to take him on for one year. Contending teams won't have the cap space, and non-contending teams don't want a 1-year player.
For Copp to return good trade value at this point, it would have to be from a team that sees him as a long-term player, I would think.
Having Copp for one year at a manageable cap hit, and losing him as a UFA isn't a terrible outcome for a team that is trying to contend. If he really enjoys the season, maybe he can be re-signed by the Jets as a UFA after next season. But if that happens, I think it will be through a negotiated 1-year contract, not through another grinding arbitration process.More and more I'm seeing Copp as a problem that needs to be solved. Especially as I think he won't play the team friendly game and just work his way to UFA status.
IMO no way Copp bites on a 1 or 2 year deal unless it is well above what he can reasonably expect in arbitration. Instead he will just go to arbitration and then be gone next season.Having Copp for one year at a manageable cap hit, and losing him as a UFA isn't a terrible outcome for a team that is trying to contend. If he really enjoys the season, maybe he can be re-signed by the Jets as a UFA after next season. But if that happens, I think it will be through a negotiated 1-year contract, not through another grinding arbitration process.
I think it all depends on the trade market. If the Jets can only get a low value draft pick for Copp, then it's worth it to keep him for next year. If he can return a couple of 2nd round picks, or so, then maybe it makes sense to trade him now.
But it's pretty clear that the Jets are in "win now" mode, so if they think Copp can help them win this season, they might be willing to sign him for one season at a lower AAV, and risk having him walk next season.
Just for information - on a 1-year deal, Evolving Hockey projects Copp at around $3.7M. On a two-year deal, Copp is pegged at around $4M. If the Jets could get him on a deal in that range, I think that might be preferable to a trade, unless the trade market for him is really strong.
Time to play with the shiny new toys. Frenchie was a warrior, he will be sorely missed.Why couldn’t we sign Perrault for a mil.
IMO no way Copp bites on a 1 or 2 year deal unless it is well above what he can reasonably expect in arbitration. Instead he will just go to arbitration and then be gone next season.
Why couldn’t we sign Perrault for a mil.
Having Copp for one year at a manageable cap hit, and losing him as a UFA isn't a terrible outcome for a team that is trying to contend. If he really enjoys the season, maybe he can be re-signed by the Jets as a UFA after next season. But if that happens, I think it will be through a negotiated 1-year contract, not through another grinding arbitration process.
I think it all depends on the trade market. If the Jets can only get a low value draft pick for Copp, then it's worth it to keep him for next year. If he can return a couple of 2nd round picks, or so, then maybe it makes sense to trade him now.
But it's pretty clear that the Jets are in "win now" mode, so if they think Copp can help them win this season, they might be willing to sign him for one season at a lower AAV, and risk having him walk next season.
Just for information - on a 1-year deal, Evolving Hockey projects Copp at around $3.7M. On a two-year deal, Copp is pegged at around $4M. If the Jets could get him on a deal in that range, I think that might be preferable to a trade, unless the trade market for him is really strong.
I disagree with this as emphatically as humanly possible. The only reason this team has "over-achieved" is Connor Hellebuyck. The talent wasn't great, but Mo had the team playing sub Detroit for most of the last two years. His goalie is the only reason he still has a job.For me I'll hold back on any real criticisms of Maurice until he grossly underachieves the talent level he has to work with. This has yet to happen. More often than not his teams in the Jets organization have surpassed the talent level Chevy has assembled. IMO way too many fans get caught up in micro decisions more so than actual outcomes. This season we now have a major upgrade on defense and the bar will be adjusted higher. And I will judge Maurice with a higher bar. What I won't do is scream bloody murder if he makes a lineup decision I don't like.
Professional athletes are confident and competitive and usually bet on themselves. Not too often do you see them make decisions out of fear of failure.A one-year deal may not be to his benefit. What if he takes a one-year deal and he gets 30 points next year? Then in the long run, he will end up losing money.
People seem to forget/ignore that Hellebuyck was pretty bad for the first half of last season, the first two months of the season Hellebuyck had a .907 SV%, .800 HDSV%, -1.7 GSAA and a -4.5 HDGSAA.I disagree with this as emphatically as humanly possible. The only reason this team has "over-achieved" is Connor Hellebuyck. The talent wasn't great, but Mo had the team playing sub Detroit for most of the last two years. His goalie is the only reason he still has a job.
Doesn't mean a one year deal won't cost him money.Professional athletes are confident and competitive and usually bet on themselves. Not too often do you see them make decisions out of fear of failure.
Quoted for truth.I disagree with this as emphatically as humanly possible. The only reason this team has "over-achieved" is Connor Hellebuyck. The talent wasn't great, but Mo had the team playing sub Detroit for most of the last two years. His goalie is the only reason he still has a job.
I disagree with this as emphatically as humanly possible. The only reason this team has "over-achieved" is Connor Hellebuyck. The talent wasn't great, but Mo had the team playing sub Detroit for most of the last two years. His goalie is the only reason he still has a job.
Or team made it to the second round with that defense, but yeah, it was brutal.Its a stark reminder of how truly brutal our coaching was last year.
Great postI lot of talk about Maurice in the Schmidt thread, but I think it is warranted. For the last couple of Days I've been wondering how much credit should Maurice get attracting players. Take Nate's situation for example. We all know Stastny was instrumental in convincing Nate to waive his NTC to join the Jets and it is on public record that Stastny loves playing for Maurice, going so far as telling young players how fortunate they are to have such a player friendly coach.
In Nate's interview after joining the Jets he mentioned Maurice a few times and how he was looking forward to playing for him and talked about how respected Maurice is among players across the league. While many fans hate Maurice, it appears to me at least his players love playing for him. I still don't think he is anything more than an average X's and O's guy, but I do think he has a very high emotional intelligence and knows how to treat his players like they want to be treated and consequently the men playing under him are very loyal to him. Bottom line Maurice is here until he has a season or 2 of his team drastically underachieving their talent level, and that has yet to happen so I expect him to be around for a very long time.