Nail Yakupov Thread: Part 2

[Drivesaitl]

Worst case he hits 15-20 goals?

He hit those totals once in a 6 year NHL career, in his rookie year.

Worst case with Yakupov is a player you give limited minutes to, who doesn't piss a drop offensively, and just kills you defensively. And because of who he is and where he was drafted ends up a distraction.

He flamed out of 3 consecutive organizations before losing his job in the NHL. He's not an NHL player. Doesn't have any of the requisite tools to succeed in this league. Doesn't shoot the puck well enough, skate well enough, pass the puck well enough, handle the puck well enough and certainly doesn't think the game well enough.

Yak scored 7 goals in first 20GP in Colorado. That's a 28 goal scoring pace. Did you watch any of those games? What followed after is a short struggle, and then Yak getting scratched several games, getting under 10mins in games he played, and getting buried in the lineup. If Colorado doesn't completely give up on the player he easily pots 15-20 that season. He finished with 9 goals in 58 GP which prorates to 13 goals on an 82 game season (i.e. if he wasn't scratched so often, hard to score when you're not in the lineup or getting paltry minutes and buried in the lineup) So with even moderate use, and Yak would certainly get more premium looks on a club that puts Kassian on a top line, certainly Yak is a 15-20 goal scorer.

Blues? Yak hardly hit the ice there. They had some change in direction there in STL and said they were going to develop the player and take their time and they fairly immediately made it clear he wasn't in their plans at all.

Additionally you say Yak had flamed out in 3 orgs. We know the handling of the player here was a gongshow, we know originally Yak even in his rookie season had led this team in scoring with 17 goals in an abbreviated season. I have no difficulty stating that had Krueger stayed that Yak would have continued to develop.

Even Yaks AVERAGE prorated career goal scoring rate is 15 goals/season, on the dot.

 

[joestevens29]

Yak scored 7 goals in first 20GP in Colorado. That's a 28 goal scoring pace. Did you watch any of those games? What followed after is a short struggle, and then Yak getting scratched several games, getting under 10mins in games he played, and getting buried in the lineup. If Colorado doesn't completely give up on the player he easily pots 15-20 that season. He finished with 9 goals in 58 GP which prorates to 13 goals on an 82 game season (i.e. if he wasn't scratched so often, hard to score when you're not in the lineup or getting paltry minutes and buried in the lineup) So with even moderate use, and Yak would certainly get more premium looks on a club that puts Kassian on a top line, certainly Yak is a 15-20 goal scorer.

Blues? Yak hardly hit the ice there. They had some change in direction there in STL and said they were going to develop the player and take their time and they fairly immediately made it clear he wasn't in their plans at all.

Additionally you say Yak had flamed out in 3 orgs. We know the handling of the player here was a gongshow, we know originally Yak even in his rookie season had led this team in scoring with 17 goals in an abbreviated season. I have no difficulty stating that had Krueger stayed that Yak would have continued to develop.

Even Yaks AVERAGE prorated career goal scoring rate is 15 goals/season, on the dot.

Prorated means nothing, just like Points/60

Only used when people are grasping at straws

 

[Oilers in NS]

Dubnyk also changed a couple things in his game. He came out and said after Montreal that he realized if he were to stay in the NHL he needed to make changes to his game.

Yes, but that's after the fact. He was NFG here and people need to realize that. You cant hand out contracts for failing players

 

[Canovin]

I would try to lure Yak back once Samorukov and Maksimov, maybe Safin are full time Oilers.

 

[booyakasha]

Please no yak....we already have reider.

 

[Oilers in NS]

I would try to lure Yak back once Samorukov and Maksimov, maybe Safin are full time Oilers.

Saifin is a Czech and has a bad hip

 

[Canovin]

Saifin is a Czech and has a bad hip

Russian born in Czech

 

[Drivesaitl]

Prorated means nothing, just like Points/60

Only used when people are grasping at straws

The thread so far;

-Being one of the top goal scorers in the entire KHL right now means nothing.

-Leading the Oilers in scoring in rookie season means nothing

-Scoring 7 goals in first 20 games in Colorado before he was buried means nothing

-Scoring a prorated career average of 15goals/season means nothing


The guy can score, and its amazing that's even being question relative to an Oilers lineup that has only 4 players even remotely capable of scoring.

The 15-20 goal expectation, with proper usage, is completely reasonable and bears out what Yak has done in his career.

 

[Jet Walters]

This is how badly run your franchise is Mr. Katz. Yakupov threads are being bumped. God help us!

 

[joestevens29]

The thread so far;

-Being one of the top goal scorers in the entire KHL right now means nothing.

-Leading the Oilers in scoring in rookie season means nothing

-Scoring 7 goals in first 20 games in Colorado before he was buried means nothing

-Scoring a prorated career average of 15goals/season means nothing


The guy can score, and its amazing that's even being question relative to an Oilers lineup that has only 4 players even remotely capable of scoring.

The 15-20 goal expectation, with proper usage, is completely reasonable and bears out what Yak has done in his career.

The guy is so good that teams were just lined up to sign him and he ended up in the KHL instead....

 

[Spawn]

Yak scored 7 goals in first 20GP in Colorado. That's a 28 goal scoring pace. Did you watch any of those games? What followed after is a short struggle, and then Yak getting scratched several games, getting under 10mins in games he played, and getting buried in the lineup. If Colorado doesn't completely give up on the player he easily pots 15-20 that season. He finished with 9 goals in 58 GP which prorates to 13 goals on an 82 game season (i.e. if he wasn't scratched so often, hard to score when you're not in the lineup or getting paltry minutes and buried in the lineup) So with even moderate use, and Yak would certainly get more premium looks on a club that puts Kassian on a top line, certainly Yak is a 15-20 goal scorer.

Blues? Yak hardly hit the ice there. They had some change in direction there in STL and said they were going to develop the player and take their time and they fairly immediately made it clear he wasn't in their plans at all.

Additionally you say Yak had flamed out in 3 orgs. We know the handling of the player here was a gongshow, we know originally Yak even in his rookie season had led this team in scoring with 17 goals in an abbreviated season. I have no difficulty stating that had Krueger stayed that Yak would have continued to develop.

Even Yaks AVERAGE prorated career goal scoring rate is 15 goals/season, on the dot.

That’s a lot of excuses for a player who never learned how to play smart hockey and subsequently played his way off three teams and out of the league.

Trying to prorate his numbers based on games he didn’t play is very misleading. There is a reason Yakupov didn’t play those games.

You might be right that Yakupov would have turned into something had Kruger stuck around. But he didn’t and yak turned into the biggest bust of all time. There is no time machine to go back and fix past perceived wrongs. All there is is the player he is today.

Which is not an NHL player.

There is also a bit of irony in your post trying to argue that what he’s doing in the KHL is significant considering your stance on koskinen as an Oiler.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

He's not an NHL player. The team has enough pedestrians as they are. People need to accept the fact he's a bust and move on.

Leave him in the KHL.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Why would he come back even if we wanted him? He wanted out for a long time IIRC. His defense was crap but he could score when he got hot. I get that the return of Gagner might have some wanting to revisit Yak but unless he came in on a cheap deal he doesn't make much sense here and definitely not under the current coach.

 

[Drivesaitl]

That’s a lot of excuses for a player who never learned how to play smart hockey and subsequently played his way off three teams and out of the league.

Trying to prorate his numbers based on games he didn’t play is very misleading. There is a reason Yakupov didn’t play those games.

You might be right that Yakupov would have turned into something had Kruger stuck around. But he didn’t and yak turned into the biggest bust of all time. There is no time machine to go back and fix past perceived wrongs. All there is is the player he is today.

Which is not an NHL player.

There is also a bit of irony in your post trying to argue that what he’s doing in the KHL is significant considering your stance on koskinen as an Oiler.

The irony is you posting this and you realize, and I know you do, that Yakupov is more of a potential NHLer than half a dozen of our players most nights.

In anycase its moot discussion as its not happening here but if Yak wanted back in NHl he probably could. I'm thinking he might not though.

 

[joestevens29]

Why would he come back even if we wanted him? He wanted out for a long time IIRC. His defense was crap but he could score when he got hot. I get that the return of Gagner might have some wanting to revisit Yak but unless he came in on a cheap deal he doesn't make much sense here and definitely not under the current coach.

Gagner was a different situation all together too. His wife is from here, didn't want to play in the AHL anymore and had his buddy RNH mention it to the club. He also never had his agent bad talking the Oilers year after year which resulted in the agent looking for a trade.

Don't think Yak has any friends here or a wife.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Gagner was a different situation all together too. His wife is from here, didn't want to play in the AHL anymore and had his buddy RNH mention it to the club. He also never had his agent bad talking the Oilers year after year which resulted in the agent looking for a trade.

Don't think Yak has any friends here or a wife.

Nuge pushed for the trade or relayed that he wanted to come "home"?

 

[harpoon]

I get that the return of Gagner might have some wanting to revisit Yak but unless he came in on a cheap deal he doesn't make much sense here and definitely not under the current coach.

lol. Imagine Hitch and Yakupov together.

 

[joestevens29]

Nuge pushed for the trade or relayed that he wanted to come "home"?

Not sure. Seems to me it's probably both, no? I'd assume if he didn't want Gagner here he wouldn't have told the team

 

[Bryanbryoil]

lol. Imagine Hitch and Yakupov together.

That would be a match made by Satan himself. Poor Hitch's ticker probably couldn't handle it.

 

[joestevens29]

lol. Imagine Hitch and Yakupov together.

They were in STL

 

[harpoon]

They were in STL

Thanks. Forgot about that. How did it work out

 

[joestevens29]

Thanks. Forgot about that. How did it work out

20th in team scoring

 

[McShogun99]

The thread so far;

-Being one of the top goal scorers in the entire KHL right now means nothing.

-Leading the Oilers in scoring in rookie season means nothing

-Scoring 7 goals in first 20 games in Colorado before he was buried means nothing

-Scoring a prorated career average of 15goals/season means nothing


The guy can score, and its amazing that's even being question relative to an Oilers lineup that has only 4 players even remotely capable of scoring.

The 15-20 goal expectation, with proper usage, is completely reasonable and bears out what Yak has done in his career.

Whats the point of scoring 15-20 goals when you end up -40 and need your linemates to bail you out defensively all the time.

 

[izzy]

Thanks. Forgot about that. How did it work out

hitch didnt hate him as much as i thought he would but yeo did

 

[Oilers in NS]

Russian born in Czech

Really liked him at camp 2 years ago. I’ve seen him play for Saint John. Great hands. He looked injured in camp this year and was traded to Halifax. He has been injured all year. Damaged goods