passive voice
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Forget contract value and term: if you ran a team aspiring to decent hockey this upcoming season, and you could use a LHD or RHD equally, would you rather have Ben Hutton or Tyler Myers.
Come on. You are not great at assessing Bennings job, you are so biased.
You should consider delegating to someone else on this by now.
It’s not so much bad luck as it is a bad partner. He had an even +/- last season when he wasn’t with Gudbranson.Tyler Myers, and it's not even close. I'd even take Jordie Benn over Ben Hutton: Hutton's +/- has been abysmal his whole career. And anyone claiming that it's just bad luck, that's fine; I'm glad that his bad luck is off the team.
Making an absurd claim that Ben Hutton is better than Tyler’s Myers doesn’t stink of a Bias towards Mike Gillis? Really?
I’ve heard the following comments over the past two years:
“Alex Biega is a better defenseman than Tyler Myers right now.”
“Brendan Gaunce is criminally underrated and would be a good 4th Line player in other organisations.”
“Darren Archibald is criminally underrated and his underlying statistics indicate that he’s a great 4th Line player that could even play on the 3rd line of a good team.”
By the way, how is Archie doing down there in Ottawa?
And *I* am the one that is being biased?
Really?
The guys from above weren’t in any way being biased towards Gillis?
Really?
Tyler Myers, and it's not even close. I'd even take Jordie Benn over Ben Hutton: Hutton's +/- has been abysmal his whole career. And anyone claiming that it's just bad luck, that's fine; I'm glad that his bad luck is off the team.
I think that’s a much better and more realistic poll to have: Benn or Hutton. The games I went to I saw Hutton let the forward cut inside on him time and time again. He also wasn’t fast enough to stay with them. I’m not overly concerned at losing Hutton.Tyler Myers, and it's not even close. I'd even take Jordie Benn over Ben Hutton: Hutton's +/- has been abysmal his whole career. And anyone claiming that it's just bad luck, that's fine; I'm glad that his bad luck is off the team.
I think that’s a much better and more realistic poll to have: Benn or Hutton. The games I went to I saw Hutton let the forward cut inside on him time and time again. He also wasn’t fast enough to stay with them. I’m not overly concerned at losing Hutton.
If you want to, you can take a look at the data and see what a piss poor player Tyler Myers is. But I dont think you like to include data that doesnt support your preconceived opinion.
Do you remember how Gudbranson's reputation as a solid stay at home guy who plays physically and stands up for his team mates JUST. WOULD. NOT. DIE?
This is the same kind of deal. Myers is big and has a draft pedigree, his play on the ice does not reflect his reputation.
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You’re entitled to your opinion as much as I am. That’s all I’m giving. Not trying to be smart, but is there data for positioning of defenseman relative to whom they are defending against? Im genuinely curious if there’s data on those types of things. I’m not discounting analytics, as I try to use them as much as I can in all aspects of life, but if you think hockey is at a point where all you have to do is look at its limited data to tell an entire story then I think you’re short-changing yourself.I dont think I trust your "eye test" over data.
Go to Team 1040 (like right now) and listen to Ray Ferraro’s latest interview. Go to the 8th minute mark and listen for about two minutes. Ray talks about how well Tyler Myers played well when Buff got hurt and had to temporarily move up the line-up. Ray was watching every single Jets game at the time.
What you “Advanced Stats” guys don’t get, is that there’s a lot more than just “the numbers.” The numbers are very useful, but they don’t paint the whole picture of what goes on. A true hockey analyst understands that. A 25 year old kid on the internet, does not.
So most hockey pundits and experts are wrong about Myers being a 2nd pairing caliber dman, while a bunch of 25 year old kids on the internet are correct because “underlying numbers” tell 100% of what is going on with a player. Got it.
As far as Gudbranson goes, he looked good in Florida and looked pretty decent in Pittsburgh when he got traded there. Sometimes - a player simply doesn’t fit a teams’ system.
Roussel was great in Dallas but then struggled when Hitchcock became the coach. A well known “potato analytics guy” claimed that Benning was out of his mind for targeting the “washed up” 29 year old Roussel, and yet Roussel has himself a great year here last season and it shut him up pretty quickly.
Much of the time, it’s more about a player being compatible to a teams’ system and how he is deployed as opposed to just “the numbers.”
The fact that some people are picking Hutton is hilarious.
You like "pundits" and "experts" when they fit what you want to believe and slander them when they say something you dont wanna hear.
What does age have to do with this? You can be old and be completely oblivious to hockey and vice versa.
Roussel contract is bad. He got two major injuries last year alone. His style of play, this isnt a surprise to anyone who follows THE DATA OF PLAYERS OF HIS ILK.
Also if we dont have his contract on the books we could have Nyquist in our top6 right now.
I dont think you are a bad person. But your logic is consistently flawed and you dont seem to care that it is flawed. It leads you to being consistently on the wrong side of arguments.
The fact that some people are picking Hutton is hilarious.
The only media that I’ve really gone after is a certain “militant” blog in Vancouver which spews and perpetuates lies. Of course I’m not going to agree with everyone’s opinions out there, but I still respect them if there is no obvious agenda behind what they are saying?
True. By that same token, you can be a young punk on the internet spreading a bunch of BS about how Hutton is better than Myers because you like Mike Gillis more than Jim Benning......,and use one dimensional advanced stats to back up these garbage claims.
That above point is a very fair criticism and I’ll give you that, but that’s not what Potato boy was arguing. Potato boy clearly stated Roussel was completely done in the present tense.....solely based on how he performed in Dallas. Big difference.
Meanwhile, the Canucks have “mysteriously” been trending in the right direction and have been accumulating some very good future building blocks while the Usual Suspects continue to pray on the downfall of the Benning-managed Canucks for god knows what reason.
No they are not. The team was equally bad as it was last year.
This has been shown to you Im sure, and youve ignored it every time.
The west was unusually weak this year, and still we managed to stagnate.
You’re entitled to your opinion as much as I am. That’s all I’m giving. Not trying to be smart, but is there data for positioning of defenseman relative to whom they are defending against? Im genuinely curious if there’s data on those types of things. I’m not discounting analytics, as I try to use them as much as I can in all aspects of life, but if you think hockey is at a point where all you have to do is look at its limited data to tell an entire story then I think you’re short-changing yourself.